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Herman Cain says, "Being gay is a choice."

Brown said:
If saying that being gay is a choice is somehow supposed to lead to the conclusion that the choice carries with it no right of protection, then we should remind ourselves that beyond any reasonable doubt matters of religion are also choices.
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NO! JOHN HOAGIE tells us that god is not a choice!:D
 
Brown said:
If saying that being gay is a choice is somehow supposed to lead to the conclusion that the choice carries with it no right of protection, then we should remind ourselves that beyond any reasonable doubt matters of religion are also choices.
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This is exactly what I was thinking while reading through the thread.

I would have phrased it as, lets assume it is a choice. Somebody please explain why that justifies discrimination. I would then use whatever argument they gave to justify discrimination against whatever religious group they happen to belong to.
 
L.Y.S. said:
NO! JOHN HOAGIE tells us that god is not a choice!:D
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Glad to hear it! He can stop all his foolish proselytizing and begging for money, since these activities are (supposedly) directed to getting people to make some sort of religious decision.
 
I love the whole choice argument. It's irrelevant whether or not homosexuality is a choice. One being homosexual doesn't negatively impact others in any way, so even if it were a choice (which I don't believe it is), it's a choice they should be free to make.
 
Brown said:
If saying that being gay is a choice is somehow supposed to lead to the conclusion that the choice carries with it no right of protection, then we should remind ourselves that beyond any reasonable doubt matters of religion are also choices.
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Oh, I'm going to have to remember that. :D
 
I do wonder why someone on the left like, say, Obama doesn't get in front of a camera and cite some of the studies showing that it is in fact not a choice. If he wants to help gays why not try and inform the public about such things they may not have heard about?

Like did you know lesbians hands are biologically a tad different than a straight woman's hands? Why does no one bring these things up? Some of those people on the right were probably just told by some priest that homosexuality is a choice and literally no one has linked them the evidence that contradicts that. Better than just making the republicans look silly, he might actually change a few minds.
 
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Emperor_Gestahl said:
I do wonder why someone on the left like, say, Obama doesn't get in front of a camera and cite some of the studies showing that it is in fact not a choice. If he wants to help gays why not try and inform the public about such things they may not have heard about?

Like did you know lesbians hands are biologically a tad different than a straight woman's hands? Why does no one bring these things up? Some of those people on the right were probably just told by some priest that homosexuality is a choice and literally no one has linked them the evidence that contradicts that. Better than just making the republicans look silly, he might actually change a few minds.
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Two reasons:
  1. Most people already know this.
  2. Those who don't would not be swayed by things as flimsy as evidence.
 
Brown said:
If saying that being gay is a choice is somehow supposed to lead to the conclusion that the choice carries with it no right of protection, then we should remind ourselves that beyond any reasonable doubt matters of religion are also choices.
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Thanks for providing another arrow for my quiver. Had not thought of that argument.
 
Of course, Cain also thinks that being poor is a choice.

Seems like every day, I have to revise my assessment of his IQ downward.
 
Upchurch said:
Two reasons:
  1. Most people already know this.
  2. Those who don't would not be swayed by things as flimsy as evidence.
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3. A sizeable part of the population will, whenever someone on the left says something, take it as proven beyond any conceivable doubt that the exact opposite is true.
 
Chaos said:
3. A sizeable part of the population will, whenever someone on the left says something, take it as proven beyond any conceivable doubt that the exact opposite is true.
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While this is true and applicable for this issue, the same is true if the roles were reversed about other issues.
 
bikerdruid said:
...and will reinstate DADT.
are all republican morons?:confused:
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/10/...s-a-choice-and-bring-back-dont-ask-dont-tell/
GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain, appearing on ABC’s “The View” on Tuesday, said he feels being gay “is a choice,” and that if elected President, he would reinstate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” the former ban on openly gay military service members.
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I counter assert that being "black" is a choice, and if I'm elected President I'll reinstate Jim Crow laws.

I don't care how much money he has, he can go sit at the back of the bus.

And I think his pizza sucks.
 
A useful exercise might be to consider what percentage of Americans are homosexual. I took a cursory sample of different websites and got the following results:

Wikipedia 4%
UCLA study 3.5%
Discovery News 2%
Williams Institute 1.7%
Gallup poll <1%

If gays in the military roughly reflect the general U.S. population, they might constitute at most 4% of the military or they might make up less than 1%. So, what's all the shouting about? Gay activists often assert that anti-gay stands provide the religious right with a cash cow. Say you're fighting the scourge of homosexuality, and hysterical donors will shell out the $.

It shows that the Republican candidates really don't want to talk about the real issues that they make such a big deal about the whole gays in the military thing.

Here's the real issue: What will you do to combat unemployment and stimulate the economy. The Republican position here is the same as it was in the Great Depression: Get out of the way and let business have its way. The problem with that approach now is what it was then: Letting business have its way is what got us into this mess.
 
Call me cynical, but when a politician makes a comment like that I always wonder: when is his gay sex scandal going to break? Will it be just rent boys, or rent boys and drugs? Or will it be something in a public bathroom? Or will it be someone who he got a cushy job for?

I'd be less cynical about this if it didn't keep happening.
 
Here's a question for Cain: Is being heterosexual also a choice? Because, although I'm heterosexual, I don't recall making it. All I recall is that I began to notice girls, have erections associated with such noticing, to have physically messy dreams, etc.

One thing I don't recall doing is sitting on a rock somewhere, assuming the pose of Rodin's "Thinker" and musing over the question, "Well, gee, do I want to be straight or gay? Let's see,. Let me consider my options. Oh yeah. Now I've got it. I'll be straight."

Consider the same hypothetical soliloquy on the part of someone choosing to be gay: "Let's see, do I want to be straight or gay? So, if I'm gay, I'll be in a a miniscule minority, which will make finding partners harder. I'll have to endure all kinds of social condemnation and ostracism. I'll even possibly be criminalized and may in certain countries, be tortured and put to death, just for who am, even if I don't act on it; and I'll risk having thugs beat the crap out of me and possibly kill me even if they only think I'm gay. On the other hand, if I'm straight, all these problems go away. So, let me see, since it's entirely my free-will choice, I'll be . . . let me see . . . Oh yeah, I choose to be gay."
 
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bikerdruid said:
...and will reinstate DADT.
are all republican morons?:confused:
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2011/10/...s-a-choice-and-bring-back-dont-ask-dont-tell/
GOP Presidential candidate Herman Cain, appearing on ABC’s “The View” on Tuesday, said he feels being gay “is a choice,” and that if elected President, he would reinstate “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” the former ban on openly gay military service members.
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I went back to the OP to look at the actual video. One thing I think that is striking is that when one woman asked him why anyone would want to be gay, he failed to answer the question, but rather dodged it entirely, saying only that someone should show him the science that demonstrated homosexuality was not a matter of choice. I can only hope some commentator holds his feet to the fire, not only on this question, but also on the issue of why given how few Americans are homosexual, this is such a big issue for the GOP.
 
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