Herbal Healing

Ashles said:
Please answer these questions:
Did you tell the optician you were seeing orbs?
Did the optician say that was normal?
If not what did the optician say was the cause?
Did the optician recommend that you see a specialist or doctor?
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You know what I predict?

He does not have a hole in his eye...
 
jambo372 said:
I see the orbs all the time - but I just took it for granted before I got into spiritualism.
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So it never crossed your mind that these might be supernatural until you started believing in the supernatural? Would you like to think about that for a minute? Suddenly everything you can't explain becomes evidence for your beliefs?

You haven't provided a description, but they might just be "floaters". Seeing them is not a psychic gift.
 
Dr Adequate & Ashles
It's NOT floaters, cataracts or holes in my eye - the optician didn't know what it was, she said my eyes were fine.

Like the idea of professional con artist but I don't really consider it a profession - the simple schemes can make quite a bit of money and be quite fun ie taking money for a non - existent charity event - you should try it - you end up loaded.
 
It's NOT floaters, cataracts or holes in my eye - the optician didn't know what it was, she said my eyes were fine.
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So you went to an optician and told them you had orbs floating across your vision and they pronounced your vision to be fine?

You need to try another optician or a doctor. Seriously.

An optician should really have recommended you to a specialist. There can be many visual complaints that aren't to do with the eyeballs.

Honestly, mention this to a doctor.
 
Actually I have to ask this. Have you really been to an optician about your orbs jambo?

Cataracts are nothing like floating orbs, and I still don't know why you mention "holes in your eyes" as I have never heard of such a thing.

What do you exactly mean when you refer to orbs and how often do you se them?
 
Ashles said:
Actually I have to ask this. Have you really been to an optician about your orbs jambo?

Cataracts are nothing like floating orbs, and I still don't know why you mention "holes in your eyes" as I have never heard of such a thing.

What do you exactly mean when you refer to orbs and how often do you se them?
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Maybe someone should explain to Ashles (without alarming him) that seeing orbs that are 'clearly not floaters', seeing auras, and seeing a pen move while staring at it for ages, plus the severe headaches might be indicative not of problems with the eyes, but with the brain. If he described this to an optician correctly, the optician should not have given an 'all clear', but sent him on to a specialist for further examination into something that might, and I stress 'might', be very serious.

On a less serious but nevertheless devastating for the sufferer level, auras and floating orbs are classical symptoms of migraine (which sometimes comes without the headache or nausea following on). I know. I get them and when they first began I was very worried about my health until migraine was explained to me. All I can do is take the Migraleve, cover my eyes in a darkened room, and try to minimise the suffering by enjoying the 'free light show'.:(

Is the 'hole in the eye' thing some kind of Scottish folk lore, or is there such a term in optometry???
 
jambo372 said:
Ashles
I repeat I do NOT have a hole in my eye. She said there was nothing wrong with my vision.

If you put the pen on a level surface and guard it from air-currents and don't touch it then it won't move - assuming it's not a plain cylindrical one. I don't know why it lasted only a moment - I had a headache for a few days afterwards though which also put me off.

I wasn't using fraud - I know what I was doing.

Dr Adequate
I deleted the email.
I didn't make it up.
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Why not go see an Opthamologist? Oh, wait. They're REAL doctors. Sorry about that.

And of course the pen thing can't be a freakin' coincidence, as it happened one time and all. Geebums... I'd pay $160 to see that Penn and Tellar show, but dang if I'll watch this guy if someone paid me the $160 for it.

On the other hand, if the kid here has ambitions of being a microbiologist or an herbalist, and the kid fails to meet standard as an true skeptic utilizing the scientific method, and still manages to obtain a degree somehow, then I think that kid will find that there are people who will always be willing to call him/her out, and testing behind the hypothesis will be the only deciding factor in what is accepted and what is not, what is utilized and what is thrown in the trash. Well, even utilizing the scientific method, people will always call those hypotheses to task, and the results are the same.

There is no sin in being wrong. But there is sin in continuing to insist you are right regardless of how much you are shown to be otherwise. It's a process called "learning."

Or, finally, the kid could just be a troll.
 
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Maybe someone should explain to Ashles
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I think you mean Jambo.

Yes this is what I have been trying to slowly get around to.

If jambo is seeing these things repeatedly then he needs to visit a doctor. Really quite soon I would recommend.
 
jambo372 said:
Dr Adequate & Ashles
It's NOT floaters, cataracts or holes in my eye - the optician didn't know what it was, she said my eyes were fine.
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What is this "holes in my eye" business? Obviously you don't have a hole in your eye, or all the gunk inside would come out.
 
Dr Adequate said:
What is this "holes in my eye" business? Obviously you don't have a hole in your eye, or all the gunk inside would come out.
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It's kind of biblical (Kind Jame's Version that is), you know, the whole "you can't tell a man about a speck in his eye when you have a log in yours."
 
jambo372 said:
Like the idea of professional con artist but I don't really consider it a profession - the simple schemes can make quite a bit of money and be quite fun ie taking money for a non - existent charity event - you should try it - you end up loaded.
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The downside, of course, is that you lose your right to call yourself a human being: but I can see why it would appeal to someone with your rather specialised powers of reasoning. As Bertrand Russell said: "The method of postulating what we want has many advantages; they are the same as the advantages of theft over honest toil."
 
make quite a bit of money and be quite fun ie taking money for a non - existent charity event - you should try it - you end up loaded.
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Have you done this yourself Jambo?
 
Ashles said:
Have you done this yourself Jambo?
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Hey, I've sold ideas, I've taken peoples' money... and then I give it back, and explain the trick. I guess that means Jambo and I are not on the same side.
 
Ashles
I've been to several opticians many times an none said I had anything wrong. If I had something wrong with my brain I think it would be obvious by now - I've saw the orbs all my life.

About the con thing - Of course I've done it - who hasn't ?

Dr Adequate & Suezoled
Hole in the eye is a medically recognised condition but I don't know the scientific terminology for it - all I know is that I do NOT have it - the gunk in your eye doesn't come out - the hole is too small for that to happen. I am not referring to anything biblical. I have also visited opthamologists beforewho said the same thing.

I fail to meet the standards of a true sceptic - when did I ever say I was a sceptic ? If I did I lied - I'm a believer and always will be ( thank God ) and wouldn't want to meet the standard of the sceptics on this forum.

Explain the trick - what do you mean ? - There is no trick involved, you just say the money is for a worthy ( fake ) cause ( namely yourself which should remain unknown to them ) and accept all they cough up unless of course you feel sorry for them.
 
About the con thing - Of course I've done it - who hasn't ?
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Most people haven't done it. That's because it's a pretty despicable thing to do. If you don't realise that then so much for your spiritual caring side.
It appears that being a believer and having morals aren't necessarily connected.



I find myself asking you the same questions over and over jambo without ever getting straight answers.

Have you told the opticians about the orbs you see?
Yes or no?


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I've been to several opticians many times an none said I had anything wrong. If I had something wrong with my brain I think it would be obvious by now - I've saw the orbs all my life.
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Several of the things you have described (orbs, objects moving, hallucinations, auras etc.) are indeed symptoms of brain disorders of various types and degrees of severity. That's why I'm trying to get you to answer the above question.
Did you tell the opticians about the orbs?
 
jambo372 said:
About the con thing - Of course I've done it - who hasn't ?
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Who hasn't? People with a shred of decency, honour or self-respect. People who aren't criminals. People who aren't sickening leeches. People who don't exploit and betray the compassion of others for profit. Good people.

About six billion of them.
 
Ashles, it's kind of embarrassing to admit this on a sceptical website... but you are my Psychic Twin.
 
jambo372 said:

About the con thing - Of course I've done it - who hasn't ?


Explain the trick - what do you mean ? - There is no trick involved, you just say the money is for a worthy ( fake ) cause ( namely yourself which should remain unknown to them ) and accept all they cough up unless of course you feel sorry for them.
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So you're admitting to being a liar and a cheat? Those are some pretty big ones you must have.
 
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