Help with precogniton

[Plasmadog]

Aw now i get ya. But in the dream and after there was a importance about the suit i was wearing, that it wasnt enclosing or insealing, that it wasnt forfilling the prepose as under stood the dream as me in space.

And do you routinely have dreams in which every detail is perfectly logical and consistent? I certainly don't. That sort of inconsistency is the hallmark of dreams. Here's what I think happened: you had a completely random dream about being on a space station. At some point you had the rational idea that, since you're in space, you should probably check the integrity of your suit. Since dreams often show you the very thing you are worried about, your suit naturally turns out to be less than ideal. On noticing that, you fixate on it, and the rational, fully conscious, thought process that follows is enough to shake you out of the dream (This happens to me all the time. Dreams and logic just don't mix.). You wake up still thinking about, and still worried about, the suit. This is probably what gave you the feeling that it was a pre-cog dream.

But let's look at this from another perspective. Assume for a moment that it was a vision of a future event. The vision was not just a passive look at an unfamiliar environment, was it? It also included events, such as you noticing a problem with your suit that seemed important to you at the time. Did that actually happen in the clean room? Did any of the events in the dream have a parallel in the clean room? If not, you cannot really claim to have had any knowledge of the future, can you?

 

[The 3rd eye]

The 3rd Eye,

Please tell us your most recent dream (that seemed as though it might be a vision) in as much detail as possible. .

I had a dream that i was down stairs ready to get off on a public bus at night. It was coming up to the bus stop. As the bus was pulling up there was a stone wall on the left about a meter and half high, and on the otheir side of the road there was a small shop connected to a petrol station. ( the next part i did not visionly see) I planed to go to this shop to buy somthing but then i was going to go on to another biger shop.

I did not reconise the place in my vision.

There is a problem with psychic abilities that has been mentioned before in this thread. If they cannot tell you anything about the future, they are pointless. If the only time you can definitely say they were "visions" is after an event happens, then you are applying the vision incorrectly.

Here, I'll give an example. This didn't happen, but it should illustrate the point.

Let's say that one night I have a dream (that feels like a vision) where I am standing in the middle of a street in a busy city just as it begins to rain. The sky darkens completely... it's sudden, and kind of frightening. All of the people standing in the street run into their houses, and soon I am the only one left outside, standing in the rain.

The next week five different things happen that I can apply to the dream in retrospect:

1. Acid rain falls on the city I live in.

2. There is a lightning storm that knocks out power on my block.

3. In Asia there is a tsunami that kills 1000 people.

4. I nearly drown.

5. The neighbors upstairs leave on their water by accident and flood my apartment.

Okay, now we can break these down. You see, none of these circumstances fit exactly what my dream was. The first one is close because it has to do with actual rain, but that's really the only similarity. There isn't the being alone in the street. The second is good, because it has to do with rain, too. But there were people in my dream who disappeared, not lights going out all down the block. You can make it make sense if you force it, but it still isn't what I dreamed. The third one has absolutely nothing to do with me, and the dream did have to do with me. So while there are people in the real version who disappear, I dreamed about my location, not a different one. Event four has to do with water, and me being alone. But in the dream, I wasn't IN the water. It as just raining. And the fifth event - there's pretty much no similarity but water.

What I'm saying is that looking back you can make anything fit. But if you didn't dream exactly what happened, then it more than likely isn't a precognitive dream.

I dont try to make anything fit.

 

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Before I grew old and realised that such events are almost certainly, as other posters have said here, due to coincidence and only remembering the hits not the misses, I read a book called 'An Experimant with Time' by John Dunne, first published in 1931 and reprinted in 1981. I think you will find it an interesting read, but that, by waking yourself and writing down dreams, you will soon find yourself much more tired than usual and I found that it quickly became extremely boring!

Ah yes! 'An Experimant with Time'. I read this when I was in University many moons ago. I recorded a dream about traffic lights failing and, the next day, in a car with three other people, I saw with my own eyes the traffic lights we had just driven through turn suddenly back to red from green. "Did you see that," I said, "the lights just turned back to red!" Everyone else in the car said, "No they did not!"

I realized then that the human mind works in mysterious ways and started on my journey into Skepticism. It's been more than 40 years now. I'm almost there.

 

[The 3rd eye]

Don't be ridiculous. Proving it to yourself is meaningless. You are not an objective observer. What if you are mentally ill?

I seam to be specializing in the ridiculous these days. Proving it to my self is far from meaningless when my mental state is in question.

The only way to know you are precognative is to consistantly make accurate predictions..

True but there is easyer ways to prove it than trying to force my self to have a precog about the lotto.

You also need to decide that you believe in predestiny, since that is the only way true precognition could exist.

I am well awear of the ramifications of believeing in precognition. It scares the **** out me to think that i would not be deciding my life that i am a pawn in some game or that im here to play a role. For me life would not be worth liveing if that was the case.

 

[The 3rd eye]

But let's look at this from another perspective. Assume for a moment that it was a vision of a future event. The vision was not just a passive look at an unfamiliar environment, was it? It also included events, such as you noticing a problem with your suit that seemed important to you at the time. ?

This is going to get sticky

In dream time (yes i said dream time) the dream lasted no longer than a 1/10 of a seconed, its not as if i was the in the space station and then decided to look down and see what i was wearing, it was a blast of a image with a sence of the enviroment i was in and the surroundings.

Did that actually happen in the clean room? Did any of the events in the dream have a parallel in the clean room? If not, you cannot really claim to have had any knowledge of the future, can you?

What events ? i never said anything happened in the clean room. I just stated that i was in a place that had the look of a space station with the sence of what i was wearing.

 

[The 3rd eye]

Ah yes! 'An Experimant with Time'. I read this when I was in University many moons ago. I recorded a dream about traffic lights failing and, the next day, in a car with three other people, I saw with my own eyes the traffic lights we had just driven through turn suddenly back to red from green. "Did you see that," I said, "the lights just turned back to red!" Everyone else in the car said, "No they did not!"

I realized then that the human mind works in mysterious ways and started on my journey into Skepticism. It's been more than 40 years now. I'm almost there.

Good to hear your on track, im still looking for a direction

 

[The 3rd eye]

So i have only now gotin around to reading some of the othier forums on this site. And its quite clear I am in the wrong place also by what iv read it seems im a ''woo'' ? But if i am a island of woo amoung the skeptict then im glad to be here.

 

[Apathia]

So i have only now gotin around to reading some of the othier forums on this site. And its quite clear I am in the wrong place also by what iv read it seems im a ''woo'' ? But if i am a island of woo amoung the skeptict then im glad to be here.

"No man is an island!"

 

[Cuddles]

"No man is an island!"

But tie lots together and you have a decent raft.

 

[The 3rd eye]

But tie lots together and you have a decent raft.

Well maybe more a pice of drift wood.

 

[Beth]

The 3rd eye,

I'd really like to hear more about how you can distinguish between dreams that seem precognizant and non-precognizant dreams. The most believable accounts I have heard regarding such dreams are from people who claim to be able to make such a distinction. Can you elaborate on how you distinguish them? Would you be willing to discuss it with me privately if you don't want to post about it publically? THank you.

 

[The 3rd eye]

The 3rd eye,

I'd really like to hear more about how you can distinguish between dreams that seem precognizant and non-precognizant dreams. The most believable accounts I have heard regarding such dreams are from people who claim to be able to make such a distinction. Can you elaborate on how you distinguish them? Would you be willing to discuss it with me privately if you don't want to post about it publically? THank you.

Hard to say really its mostly a gut feeling and i think i only get a gut feeling cos iv been having precogs for a while. The image that i see in the dream is usally very short like a flash, and its very real, as in im not floating around the sky or seeing from a third persons perspective. Im in my bodie and i am reading or awear of my thoughts, as in the thoughts of me in the future. from my attitude to otheir peoples attitude who are around me. And in a normal dream you very much go with the flow but in a precog dream theres a direction or a aim, not so much about what your precoging about, but more that you as a person have a objective to do or are doing. Like now im in work and will be here till 7. but in a normal dream theres no such restriction im free to dream about any thing theres no objective or task. Thats what i mean by go with the flow.

If none of this made sence or apart of it didnt let me know and ill try redefine it.

 

[Beth]

Thank you for the attempt. Let me see if I can rephrase this. It's a way for you to judge if I'm understanding you properly. Your precognitive dreams seem truer to reality than normal dreams and are accompanied by a sense of purpose. Is there anything else you can think of that delineates them from other dreams?

 

[Outhere]

Coming in late

and not wanting to read every posting--just want to interject a thought. Sorry if someone's already done it. Deja vu does not mean precognition. It's the feeling of having already experienced an event you are actually experiencing for the first time.

Another meaning in the dictionary is "dull familiarity, monotony."

 

[latent aaaack]

3rd eye, I've experienced a similar thing. I want to know how much our experiences compare so I'll ask you some specific questions in private message if you don't mind.

 

[LibraryLady]

Have you tried keeping a dream journal, mailing each day's entry to someone else, and then comparing the verifiable events?

 

[TheGuyThat]

Third eye, I don't think it is really all that necessary to analyse this so much. It seems to me that what ever is happening, is just that, what is happening, in trying to catagorise it you will surely misinterpret the reality of the situation. It doesn't really matter if you are precognitive or not, its not like its going to make everything better in your life, its just going to add a different flavor. It seems as though you have no control over these events so I wouldn't stress anything other than to react to them in a way that is sensible. You may be precognitive, or you may not, either way what matters is how you react to the situations given to you. I would imagine your post is because you want to understand how you should treat these feelings, whether you should just ignore them or whether you should take them on a things that are happening. The thing is whether you are precognitive or not you can be certain that what you see and what happens is not always going to be the same. Don't just ignore things, be compassionate and try to help. Though if what you say is true and you can't help others even if you try, then don't get down about it, it would merely mean that it is part of destiny and you simply glimpse the inevitable. I doubt that it makes you anymore powerful than anyone in anyway, so don't make a big deal about it, it really isn't a big deal if you are or aren't. There is certainly no real power trip to be had, dang it, but hey if you are precognitive in the way you say then maybe you should learn from the special insights you have.
I know one thing, don't try to talk about your stuff with people cuz I know from experience, people just don't react to it well. Though it is very confusing and you will want to talk about it as it seems it is becoming somewhat of a main subject of your thoughts, but the thing is nobody out there really has the answers you seek. I wouldn't go to any psychics or anything or delve into mystical things, I think you should just see things for what they are.
If you do need to talk about it, do tell your friends your concerns, but don't just blurt it out there, it is important how you say things. You can say just about anything if you say it in the right way, in a way they can take. Don't infer in your emotional connotations that is is anything other than what it is, feelings etc, just be honest and tell them why you believe the way you do, don't try to convince them as that will lead to confrontations and not assistance to yourself. You must be patient and considerate not to mention modest my friend.
If you are precognitive it is imporatant to realise that it isn't all that amazing, just a normal natural thing, don't inflate it into something more important than it is. The only reason people dislike those mystic kind of people has nothing to do whether they can do something amazing or not, but because of how they act. Most people that claim to have different skills from normal have issues and just act in ways that people don't like. Like they may get patronising, arrogant, etc and all that jazz, act in the right way and no matter what is happening, it can't not turn out right.
You are not alone in the things you experience, in my opinion. Who is to say that you are precognitive or not...I don't know, but does it really matter. What matters is how you live your life and how you deal with your relationships.
Let common sense prevail.
It is not common sense that powers like these do not exist, and nor is it common sense that these powers do exist, they are both opinions based on a whole load of assumptions. Lots of people will say these kinds of things are rediculous, like I once would of, but it seems to me that we cannot know so much as to discount that. Also it seems to me that we cannot say these things are powers or magic as it would be a mistake to assume we know the true nature of these things. In my opinion, neither side, sceptic or believer, is right and neither are they wrong. Just take things for what they are, and don't be to concerned about putting yourself in a box. At the end of the day you are who you are, and that is all that matters.

 

[latent aaaack]

Quick question to TheGuyThat: you don't have to go into the details but what made you think the existence of these 'powers' might not be ridiculous?

 

[De_Bunk]

Three pages of total and utter sheet...

And '3rd Eye' still believes he can see into the future...

Way to go...

DB

 

[The 3rd eye]

Third eye, I don't think it is really all that necessary to analyse this so much. It seems to me that what ever is happening, is just that, what is happening, in trying to catagorise it you will surely misinterpret the reality of the situation. It doesn't really matter if you are precognitive or not, its not like its going to make everything better in your life, its just going to add a different flavor. It seems as though you have no control over these events so I wouldn't stress anything other than to react to them in a way that is sensible. You may be precognitive, or you may not, either way what matters is how you react to the situations given to you. I would imagine your post is because you want to understand how you should treat these feelings, whether you should just ignore them or whether you should take them on a things that are happening. The thing is whether you are precognitive or not you can be certain that what you see and what happens is not always going to be the same. Don't just ignore things, be compassionate and try to help. Though if what you say is true and you can't help others even if you try, then don't get down about it, it would merely mean that it is part of destiny and you simply glimpse the inevitable. I doubt that it makes you anymore powerful than anyone in anyway, so don't make a big deal about it, it really isn't a big deal if you are or aren't. There is certainly no real power trip to be had, dang it, but hey if you are precognitive in the way you say then maybe you should learn from the special insights you have.
I know one thing, don't try to talk about your stuff with people cuz I know from experience, people just don't react to it well. Though it is very confusing and you will want to talk about it as it seems it is becoming somewhat of a main subject of your thoughts, but the thing is nobody out there really has the answers you seek. I wouldn't go to any psychics or anything or delve into mystical things, I think you should just see things for what they are.
If you do need to talk about it, do tell your friends your concerns, but don't just blurt it out there, it is important how you say things. You can say just about anything if you say it in the right way, in a way they can take. Don't infer in your emotional connotations that is is anything other than what it is, feelings etc, just be honest and tell them why you believe the way you do, don't try to convince them as that will lead to confrontations and not assistance to yourself. You must be patient and considerate not to mention modest my friend.
If you are precognitive it is imporatant to realise that it isn't all that amazing, just a normal natural thing, don't inflate it into something more important than it is. The only reason people dislike those mystic kind of people has nothing to do whether they can do something amazing or not, but because of how they act. Most people that claim to have different skills from normal have issues and just act in ways that people don't like. Like they may get patronising, arrogant, etc and all that jazz, act in the right way and no matter what is happening, it can't not turn out right.
You are not alone in the things you experience, in my opinion. Who is to say that you are precognitive or not...I don't know, but does it really matter. What matters is how you live your life and how you deal with your relationships.
Let common sense prevail.
It is not common sense that powers like these do not exist, and nor is it common sense that these powers do exist, they are both opinions based on a whole load of assumptions. Lots of people will say these kinds of things are rediculous, like I once would of, but it seems to me that we cannot know so much as to discount that. Also it seems to me that we cannot say these things are powers or magic as it would be a mistake to assume we know the true nature of these things. In my opinion, neither side, sceptic or believer, is right and neither are they wrong. Just take things for what they are, and don't be to concerned about putting yourself in a box. At the end of the day you are who you are, and that is all that matters.

Thanks man, Good advice, iv been taking a break from all this head banging stuff the last couple of days. A lot of what ya said made sense, some of the advice you gave me iv already learned, the hard way.