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Help ridiculing a Bible Code

Matabiri

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Matabiri
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Someone on another forum is being silly, and has posted this as evidence of a divine being:

http://www.yfiles.com/seven.html

"Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance. Genesis 1:1 was composed of seven Hebrew words containing a total of 28 letters. Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection - the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets, etc. In total, Panin discovered 30 separate codes involving the number 7 in this first verse of the Bible.

A Partial Listing of the Phenomenal Features of Sevens Found in Genesis 1:

1. The number of Hebrew words = 7
2. The number of letters equals 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
3. The first three Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" contain 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
4. The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
5. The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6. The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7. The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
8. The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7 x 2 = 14)
9. The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
10. The Hebrew numeric value of the first, middle and last letters is 133 (7 x 19 = 133)
11. The Hebrew numeric value of the first and last letters of all seven words is 1393 (7 x 199 = 1393)
12. ..."

I am trying to ridicule this by finding features in the polytheistic English phrase

"In the Beginning Gods created the Heavens"

So far I have:

1. There are 7 words
2. There 35 (= 7 * 5) letters
3. The key words "created" and "heavens" have 7 letters
4. "In the beginning" contains 14 (= 2 * 7) letters
5. The rest of the phrase contains 21 (= 3 * 7) letters
6: The numeric values of the letters in "Gods" and "Heavens" is 119 (= 17 * 7)
7: The most common letter is 'e', which appears 7 times, and appears at the 7th position
8: The second most common letter is 'n', which has numeric value 14 (=2 * 7)
9: 4 letters occur 3 times (4 + 3 = 7)
10: The sum of the values of every seventh letter from the first one divisible by 7 (n, the second letter) = 63 (= 9 * 7)

More ideas? I think the more ridiculous and convoluted the better...
 
Reminded of a line from Ghostbusters:

"Yeah. No human would stack books like that."

Or words to that effect.
 
I find numerology and bible codes to be so much hooey, and boring to boot, but this jumped out at me:

1. The number of Hebrew words = 7
2. The number of letters equals 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
3. The first three Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" contain 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
4. The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
5. The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6. The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7. The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
8. The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7 x 2 = 14)
9. The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
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Isn't number 9 impossible? The middle word of seven is the fourth word. The fourth and the fifth words combined are seven letters. Therefore the fourth word can't be the shortest and have seven letters.
 
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juryjone said:
Isn't number 9 impossible? The middle word of seven is the fourth word. The fourth and the fifth words combined are seven letters. Therefore the fourth word can't be the shortest and have seven letters.
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Almost certainly, although I don't speak Hebrew to be able to really tell. The point I'm trying to make is that if you go looking for numerological relationships, you can find 'em anywhere.

Diogenes - thanks, was looking for that.
 
Throughout the Bible the number seven appears repeatedly as a symbol of divine perfection - the 7 days of creation, God rested on the 7th day, the 7 churches, the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets...
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Let me see.. If I think the number six is special and I write a book that includes information like; 6 days of creation, God rested on the 6th day, the 6 churches, the 6 seals, the 6 trumpets.. Wow, people who read that book might think there is something special about the number 6.. I wonder why?.

Your turn.. You can use the number..... 8 !!!
 
If you multiply the numeric values for the letters in "god" you get 420, proof at least that god knows what makes people happy.

If you multiply the numeric values for all the first letters in each word, you get 1,209,600 which is divisible by 7 and comes to 172,000.

If you multiply the numeric values for all the last letters in each word, you get 3,537,8000 which is divisible by 7 and comes to 505,400.

Now multiply 172,000 by 505,400 and you get 87,333,120,000
which is divisible by 420; gods happy number.
 
Matabiri said:
"Ivan Panin carefully examined the Hebrew text of Genesis 1:1 and discovered an incredible phenomenon of multiples of 7 that could not be explained by chance.
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Why not?
 
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Vorticity said:

Why not?
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Probably because he doesn't understand "chance".

Same as people saying "evolution is just a theory" don't understand "theory".
 
Numbers in a book written by humans is evidence of a divine being? That's a good one. :D

The main difficulty I see is referring a Bible code believer to a thorough mathematical debunking that they'd even understand.
 
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T'ai Chi said:
Numbers in a book written by humans is evidence of a divine being? That's a good one. :D

The main difficulty I see is referring a Bible code believer to a thorough mathematical debunking that they'd even understand.
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That's why I'm trying to ridicule it rather than debunk it...

Presumably that the codes are in the Hebrew but not translations means that the translations are not inspired by God, so no-one who doesn't speak Hebrew can possibly be saved...?
 
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Matabiri said:


That's why I'm trying to ridicule it rather than debunk it...

Presumably that the codes are in the Hebrew but not translations means that the translations are not inspired by God, so no-one who doesn't speak Hebrew can possibly be saved...?
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Hmm.. I'd make a very long "book" filled with random letters.

Then I'd step through and take every, say, 5th letter and see what words I get.

This might (not too sure really) be the same as going through a long book and taking every 5th word.

Surely they couldn't believe that a long book of random letters was divinely inspired. Or maybe they could. :)
 
Well, the silly part about it is this. there is an oral tradition about the mysteries of the OT. the second part is that the bible code is explicit already. hebrew letters are also numbers, and therefore when it says that the age of mthuselah was 999, there is a word that matches the number. So the code is explicit, also how on eath could a code survive from an oral tradition to written text.
 
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juryjone said:
I find numerology and bible codes to be so much hooey, and boring to boot, but this jumped out at me:

1. The number of Hebrew words = 7
2. The number of letters equals 28 (7 x 4 = 28)
3. The first three Hebrew words translated "In the beginning God created" contain 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
4. The last four Hebrew words "the heavens and the earth" have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
5. The fourth and fifth words have 7 letters
6. The sixth and seventh words have 7 letters
7. The three key words: God, heaven and earth have 14 letters (7 x 2 = 14)
8. The number of letters in the four remaining words is also 14 (7 x 2 = 14)
9. The shortest word in the verse is the middle word with 7 letters
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Isn't number 9 impossible? The middle word of seven is the fourth word. The fourth and the fifth words combined are seven letters. Therefore the fourth word can't be the shortest and have seven letters.
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More to the point, if there are seven words with a total of 28 letters, that makes an average of 4 per word, so how can the shortest possibly have 7?
 
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