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Hellstorm: what the heck?

Travis

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Just stumbled onto some dreck on Youtube called Hellstorm. It starts off with a monologue on how the other nations were envious of Germany and were trying to kill it through moral degradation and drugs which kept the nation impoverished and feeble. Then along came HITLER and Germany rebounded because HITLER was awesome. But the other nations were not going to let poor Germany be powerful so they decided to punish it.

huge graphics HELLSTORM!

It only gets worse from there.

It sort of glosses over how the war starts outside of the opening narration which seems to frame the war as initiated by the Allies to punish Germany for daring to be rich. It then moves directly into the air campaign spending loads of time describing the horror of firestorms in Hamburg and Dresden.

I made it as far as the land invasion bit and turned it off when it made the laughable claim that British and American troops raped and murdered millions as they marched in from the west.

Who was behind this thing?
 
Check with member ryu238. Or check his posts. Most likely to be aware of this. Corporal Ferro may be also but haven't seen him posting for awhile!!!
 
As the last remaining participants die and as we move further away from the war there will be more and more of this kind of thing.
 
I bumped into some of this **** just yesterday on a FB post about the street level photo of Anne Frank watching out of her window. For all I know the POS's comment included some of what you mention, but it was long and I stopped reading after the claim that American POW camps were worse than Nazi concentration camps.

Replied the only proper way one does to Holocaust deniers: impolitely.
 
Polaris said:
... I stopped reading after the claim that American POW camps were worse than Nazi concentration camps.
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There was an Italian POW camp down the road from my mother's house. She used to take fresh food and barter with the Eye-ties for hand-carved wooden spoons and dinnerware which she sold in town. (This was southern Missouri someplace.)

ETA: The commander at one camp said he could kick all the POWs out right after breakfast and they'd all be back for dinner.
 
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In the UK Italian and German POWs were allowed out to work on farms and such. Some were even lodged outside the camps.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
There was an Italian POW camp down the road from my mother's house. She used to take fresh food and barter with the Eye-ties for hand-carved wooden spoons and dinnerware which she sold in town. (This was southern Missouri someplace.)

ETA: The commander at one camp said he could kick all the POWs out right after breakfast and they'd all be back for dinner.
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Similar in the part of Kent where I grew up apparently. Several Italians remained after the war... And the Italian Chapel in Orkney was completed after the war as Domenico Chiocchetti asked to finish the job. It's quite a special place

https://flic.kr/p/p2ifik
 
Captain_Swoop said:
In the UK Italian and German POWs were allowed out to work on farms and such. Some were even lodged outside the camps.
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At at least one PW camp in Canada the guards loaned rifles to some of the prisoners during hunting season to bring in more meat.

Of course this camp was on the north shore of Lake Superior and 20 miles away from the nearest village ...
 
I have just found this report of a German pow diary from the camp I was thinking of in Kent.

Not fun, but hardly terrible.

http://www.tonbridgehistory.org.uk/archives/war-diary.html


After his release Vinzenz returned to his parents' farm in Denkingen in south-west Germany and eventually set up his own nursery garden. He died in 1978. His grandson believes that if Vinzenz had not had family back in Germany he might well have settled in Britain for good.
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years ago I lived in a village in the Brecon Beacons National Park in mid Wales.

A neighbour was originally from Austria (NO - not that one...!) who had been captured in the Desert Campaign. He spent some time in a POW camp in mid Wales before being shipped to Canada in 1943 I think.

After the end of the war he returned to Wales, married a local girl and settled down as a forester in the National Park.

Locals - with a masterful command of geography - called him "Yank".
 
Rincewind said:
years ago I lived in a village in the Brecon Beacons National Park in mid Wales.

A neighbour was originally from Austria (NO - not that one...!) who had been captured in the Desert Campaign. He spent some time in a POW camp in mid Wales before being shipped to Canada in 1943 I think.

After the end of the war he returned to Wales, married a local girl and settled down as a forester in the National Park.

Locals - with a masterful command of geography - called him "Yank".
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My best man's grandfather had served in the Wehrmacht (in a penal unit). He was captured and sent to Canada. He liked it here - the food was decent, it was warmer than Russia and no one was shooting at him. His prewar home was in the Russian zone.

Just before war's end his old uniform was wearing out so they gave him what they had - some old battle dress. When he was repatriated he went to his old village, got his wife and snuck into the British zone and eventually emigrated back to Canada, anglicizing his name to Cunningham.
 
As a child of about 9 years in England I chatted with Italian POWs as they worked on the roadside (I guess they were tidying the verges) with nary an adult, soldier or supervisor in sight.
 
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I bet Stormfront would love this film. At one point they even start talking about how the Nazi image was all a huge lie perpetrated by Jews.

One point in its favor is that the female narrator had a great voice.
 
I've said it before Travis. Watching crazy people preach crazy sermons is not a healthy outlet for someone who does not have regular face-to-face contact with sane, whole, mentally-hygienic people.

As for the camp stuff. I believe the deniers are not talking about camps in England or America but are talking about improvised camps that the allies set up in Germany at the very end of the war. I am sure someone more knowledgeable about 20th century European history can elaborate.
 
Ladewig said:
I've said it before Travis. Watching crazy people preach crazy sermons is not a healthy outlet for someone who does not have regular face-to-face contact with sane, whole, mentally-hygienic people.

As for the camp stuff. I believe the deniers are not talking about camps in England or America but are talking about improvised camps that the allies set up in Germany at the very end of the war. I am sure someone more knowledgeable about 20th century European history can elaborate.
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Probably the video is talking about the Rheinwiesenlager, which as the name suggests were located inside Germany itself - temporary open air camps set up when the Wehrmacht disintegrated entirely in 1945 and surrendered en masse.

They became 'famous' when James Bacque wrote Other Losses about a quarter of a century ago. This book was discredited by historians for misreading documents but remains a favourite among the nutzi crowd.

If you google Rheinwiesenlager you should find a Wiki page explaining that from 1 to 1.9 million POWs held in these camps approximately 3-10,000 died. The US Army states 3,000 deaths, German figures go to 4,500. These were initially open-air camps and there were undoubtedly supply issues compounded by a decision to reclassify POWs which led to lower rations being issued. It was fortunate that they existed only in the summer of 1945 otherwise the death toll could have been horrific.

Bacque claimed 790,000 to 1 million POWs died in these camps, based on misreading/misunderstanding the reports of population movements. Just as with Dresden, nutzis seize on the highest claimed figure and treat it as gospel, displaying a remarkable double standard, since they automatically contest any figure for Nazi atrocities.
 
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