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HeadOn application

My dad learned some 'sinus massage' techniques before, it consists of rubbing the face in certain areas and in certain directions(forehead being one of them, but it was more twards the brown line), it seems to be helpful for sinus headaches (the kind with a bunch of pressure). I dont know if sinus massage is proven to work for anything, in my experience it helps me and my boyfriend asks for it when he gets headaches like that from being sick. i was thinking it might work based on something like that but then there wouldnt really be a reason to buy it and it would only work for some headaches.

I find the commercials hilarious.

APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD
APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD
APPLY DIRECTLY TO THE FOREHEAD

ahahaha.
 
The active ingredient is actually at 6X .05%, which means a .05% solution diluted by a factor of .000001. And it's a damn good thing, as Potassium Dichromate is just about the nastiest stuff out there....
From the MSDS for Potassium Dichromate:

POISON! DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED, INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. ...CANCER HAZARD. CAN CAUSE CANCER.

Health Rating: 4 - Extreme (Cancer Causing)
Contact Rating: 4 - Extreme (Life)
Gotta love homeopathy.
 
So since it's a carcinogen, then the homeopathic remedy should be a cure for cancer rather than for headaches.

Since the homeopathy believers place a lot of emphasis in the "provings" (not to be confused with ANYTHING like proof or evidence of efficacy), does this mean someone actually took a dose of real potassium dichromate?
 
So since it's a carcinogen, then the homeopathic remedy should be a cure for cancer rather than for headaches.

Since the homeopathy believers place a lot of emphasis in the "provings" (not to be confused with ANYTHING like proof or evidence of efficacy), does this mean someone actually took a dose of real potassium dichromate?

I'm quite sure that it will be exactly as effective for cancer as it is for headaches.

For that matter, it'll be just as effective for broken bones, internal bleeding, stomachache, backache, and even for decapitations.
 
Potassium Dichromate causes severe burns, but the real fun stuff is in the long-term exposure:

Repeated or prolonged contact may cause skin sensitization. Repeated or prolonged inhalation exposure may cause asthma. The substance may have effects on the respiratory tract and kidneys, resulting in nasal septum perforation and kidney impairment. This substance is carcinogenic to humans. May cause heritable genetic damage to human germ cells. Animal tests show that this substance possibly causes toxicity to human reproduction or development.

I think that these symptoms would be a headache, and also a pain in the butt. So that must be why the homeopaths chose it. :rolleyes:
 
In which case, a transdermal treatment of a proven anti-inflamatory would work. (Aspercreme comes to mind, and a similar preparation of acetaminiphin or ibuprofin would work.)
Consumer Reports panned Aspercreme many years ago stating basically that there was no evidence that aspirin applied topically had any analgesic effect.
 
I tried to do my own anecdotal study of a homeopathic remedy, but the results were confounded because someone said they'd pray for me.

Plus the planets are ALWAYS having an influence on me.

Shoot--I also made the mistake of drinking tap water, which is sort of an amalgam of lots of homeopathic preparations. (How can I ever get sick when I drink this stuff all the time?)

And darn it all, my symptoms keep regressing to the mean, but that's just my natural biorhythms. . . .
 
Well, if HeadOn is homeopathic, then it should work best with the least amount of ingredients. Therefore, it should reach maximum effectiveness before it is manufactured. :D

Seriously, does it really list menthol and alcohol as inactive ingredients? I use Icy Hot cream for back pain occasionally. It lists menthol as a medicinal ingredient. Halls (and other) cough drops also list menthol as medicinal. I think it goes without saying that ethyl alcohol (which is the drinkable stuff) is an active ingredient. Aren't there laws about this kind of thing? This stuff isn't the same as those drinkable homeopathic products, which claim to have water and "vibrations". Vibrating water... Think about that for a second, and tell me it wouldn't be the most sought-after product in history. ;)

Anyway, where was I? Oh yeah, this HeadOn stuff actually has real medicinal ingredients which are labelled otherwise. The fact that this is apparently legal doesn't help me sleep at night...
 
Speaking of Sylvia Browne...Large shovel! Apply directly to the forehead! Large shovel! Apply directly to the forehead! Large shovel! Apply directly to the forehead!

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Seriously, does it really list menthol and alcohol as inactive ingredients? I use Icy Hot cream for back pain occasionally. It lists menthol as a medicinal ingredient. Halls (and other) cough drops also list menthol as medicinal. I think it goes without saying that ethyl alcohol (which is the drinkable stuff) is an active ingredient. Aren't there laws about this kind of thing?

Oh yes, there are laws. Very specific laws regarding labeling and claims for active ingredients.

Menthol is approved for very specific label claims, depending on its concentration in the product. For instance, you can claim on the label that a menthol rub relieves pain from sore muscles and sprains, but not headache or sciatica.

I use Icy Hot to stop rashes caused by redbug bites after clearing my land (the menthol reduces inflammation and the petroleum base keeps the skin from drying out, which can spark the rash) but Icy Hot can't make any claims about this use, even though it works. A recent study found Tiger Balm (a menthol rub) effective against migraines, but they still can't put that claim on the label in the US because it's not FDA approved.

Ethyl alcohol is probably not an active ingredient. "Active ingredient" doesn't mean that it has some effect on you, that it's not merely inert, but rather that it has a specific curative effect for a particular condition.
 
Oh yes, there are laws. Very specific laws regarding labeling and claims for active ingredients.

Menthol is approved for very specific label claims, depending on its concentration in the product. For instance, you can claim on the label that a menthol rub relieves pain from sore muscles and sprains, but not headache or sciatica.

I use Icy Hot to stop rashes caused by redbug bites after clearing my land (the menthol reduces inflammation and the petroleum base keeps the skin from drying out, which can spark the rash) but Icy Hot can't make any claims about this use, even though it works. A recent study found Tiger Balm (a menthol rub) effective against migraines, but they still can't put that claim on the label in the US because it's not FDA approved.

Ethyl alcohol is probably not an active ingredient. "Active ingredient" doesn't mean that it has some effect on you, that it's not merely inert, but rather that it has a specific curative effect for a particular condition.

I understand the logic of these laws, but if menthol has a medicinal effect that just happens to be different than what is claimed by the product it is in, it doesn't just stop having this effect. What if HeadOn contained concentrated sulfuric acid? It's does nothing to cure headaches, so could you call it an "inactive ingredient"?
 
I understand the logic of these laws, but if menthol has a medicinal effect that just happens to be different than what is claimed by the product it is in, it doesn't just stop having this effect. What if HeadOn contained concentrated sulfuric acid? It's does nothing to cure headaches, so could you call it an "inactive ingredient"?
At homeopathic dilutions, most certainly.
 
I'm quite sure that it will be exactly as effective for cancer as it is for headaches.

For that matter, it'll be just as effective for broken bones, internal bleeding, stomachache, backache, and even for decapitations.

It works for diarrhea but the application is a bugger.
 
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I understand the logic of these laws, but if menthol has a medicinal effect that just happens to be different than what is claimed by the product it is in, it doesn't just stop having this effect. What if HeadOn contained concentrated sulfuric acid? It's does nothing to cure headaches, so could you call it an "inactive ingredient"?
No, I don't think you do understand. Or else I'm not understanding you.

Active ingredients are approved for very specific claims within precise concentration ranges. The FDA even specifies what words can go on the label. If they say a particular concentration of menthol allows you to put on the label that your product "helps relieve pain associated with common backache", then you're not allowed to get creative and write, for instance, "stops back pain" instead.

If there is no FDA approval for particular claims related to an ingredient at the concentration it's in, then it's not an active ingredient, no matter what it may actually do.

As far as sulfuric acid goes, you're not going to be allowed to put that in a topical application, so it will not be any kind of ingredient, active or inactive.
 
No, I don't think you do understand. Or else I'm not understanding you.

Active ingredients are approved for very specific claims within precise concentration ranges. The FDA even specifies what words can go on the label. If they say a particular concentration of menthol allows you to put on the label that your product "helps relieve pain associated with common backache", then you're not allowed to get creative and write, for instance, "stops back pain" instead.

If there is no FDA approval for particular claims related to an ingredient at the concentration it's in, then it's not an active ingredient, no matter what it may actually do.

As far as sulfuric acid goes, you're not going to be allowed to put that in a topical application, so it will not be any kind of ingredient, active or inactive.

Well, since there's no concentration provided for the "inactive ingredients" of HeadOn, I remain skeptical. Menthol is listed as an "active ingredient" in products with as little as 2% concentration (cold creams, mixed with camphor and eucalyptus oils). It is evidently safe, but my point is that it is listed as "inactive" here and "active" in other applications. I doubt its chemical properties vary based on the label... I was being facetious about the sulfuric acid. :D

By the way, here is the full listing of the "Inactive Ingredients" in the order they are listed, along with a brief description. Somebody mentioned that these would be in homeopathic quantities, but that only applies to the active ingredients. Assuming that HeadOn complies with FDA standards for active and inactive ingredients, it's ironic that the active ingredients do nothing whatsoever in the (non)quantities provided, but several of the inactive ingredients could have measurable effects, some of them negative. Also, please note that none of these products are uncommon in products such as cosmetics, despite the fact that some appear to be potential neurotoxins and carcinogens. There is a rather alarming lack of research and knowledge about some of these chemicals.

Diazolidinyl Urea:
Used as a formaldehyde-releasing preservative in cosmetics and barrier creams. It can cause mild allergic reactions, such as dermatitis.

Ethyl Alcohol:
The same alcohol found in beverages. Harmless when used externally, though it is flammable.

Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate:
Used as a broad spectrum biocide or preservative to inhibit the growth of microorganisms. It is used a poisoning agent in insecticide, and is considered highly toxic to humans. It is suspected of neurotoxicity, liver/gastrointestinal toxicity, and reproductive/developmental toxicity.

Menthol:
A mild local anesthetic and counterirritant that is found naturally in peppermint oil. It triggers cold sensors on the skin or mucous membranes, giving a cooling sensation without an actual drop in temperature.

Menthyl Lactate:
A flavoring agent that provides a light minty odor/taste. It is commonly found in skin cleansers and denture adhesives, and appears to be quite safe.

Propylene Glycol:
Numerous applications as a flavoring agent and moisturizer, it is also used (in high concentrations) as the main ingredient in automotive and aircraft engine coolant. It is recognized as safe for use in food and cosmetics.

Sodium Stearate:
Soap. Safe for external use.

Steareth-21:
Steareth is an emulsifier. The number indicates liquidity (4=liquid to 100=solid). It is assumed to be safe based on similar chemicals.

Tetrasodium EDTA:
A "penetration enhancer". It allows other chemicals to more easily penetrate the skin, increasing their concetration in the bloodstream. Not harmful on its own, but can provide an access route for toxins that typically would not penetrate the skin.

Triethanolamine:
A pH balancer, used to reduce the acidity of cosmetics. It is suspected to be a carcinogen (insufficient research to confirm for certain), and it also increases skin and lung sensitivity, which can cause allergic reactions and asthma attacks.

Water:
What would a homeopathic solution be without water? Answer: nothing at all.
 
Oh, and as for the Active Ingredients, you'd better hope they're at homeopathic dilutions, because they are highly toxic. White Bryony is a poisonous plant. The symptoms of ingesting it:

Digestive disturbance with acute diarrhoea, profuse urination, profuse sweating, respiratory difficulty, inco-ordination, convulsions and occasionally cessation of defecation. Also animals are unwilling to move.

It is only used therapeutically in homeopathic remedies.

As for Potassium Dichromate, here is the text from the MSDS label, which is in all-caps on the label:

POISON! DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED, INHALED OR ABSORBED THROUGH SKIN. STRONG OXIDIZER. CONTACT WITH OTHER MATERIAL MAY CAUSE A FIRE. CORROSIVE. CAUSES SEVERE BURNS TO EVERY AREA OF CONTACT. AFFECTS THE RESPIRATORY SYSTEM, LIVER, KIDNEYS, EYES, SKIN AND BLOOD. MAY CAUSE ALLERGIC REACTION. CANCER HAZARD. CAN CAUSE CANCER.

Skin contact is considered life-threatening, breathing it can cause pulmonary edema, it is corrosive enough to perforate bone, and getting it in your eyes will cause blindness. If you manage to survive any of these horrors, you are at a very high risk of developing cancer. This is a chemical that is used in industrial applications as a powerful oxidizer. It has no medicinal use whatsoever, and if homeopathy worked as promised (less concentration=more effect), it would melt a hole through your forehead instantly. So what is this nightmarish stuff supposed to be doing in HeadOn?
 
Thanks, jb... seems it was me misunderstanding your posts.

Head On has already been spanked for claims on their Web site, which they had to remove. They might also get into hot water over their "active ingredients" if they are below effective concentrations. On the other hand, FDA tends to spend their limited resources on products which may do harm, rather than those which do nothing, especially if used to treat relatively non-threatening conditions such as headache.
 

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