Haiti coup...

Re: To Zero:

King of the Americas said:
There is something wrong with this situation, buut we'll all have to dig a little deeper, I think...Aristide's government wasn't very democratic, it seems, although until I get more information I'm not willing to make a judgment on who carries the responsibility.

*Wait a second.

You are either in favor of an Electorial Democracy where ALL of the people get the opportunity to Vote for a leader...

OR

You are in favor of a Militaristic Anarchy, where the people with the guns decide who the leader is...

I mean, why weren't we showing them how to manage and perform a "recall" of President Aristide??? Why did we 'allow' them to let brute force rule the day?

Then again, the violent over-throw of a tyranical government has led to increased independence & freedom for citizens... I guess we should ask the questions of their Electorial System.
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Take a deep breath...yes, absolutely the UN should have stepped in and helped work out a democratic solution. The US should have been willing to assist in any way possible. None of that means you have to support Aristide or his government.
 
To Jocko:

Typical. Screaming for a solution before you've even established what the problem is, or if it exists. You cry for Aristide's brand of "democracy" yet you'd regulate people's behavior.

*Dude, a Democracy fell. That's the result. The problem was OUR Apathy toward the military uprising weeks in the making. Try to keep up... No wait, just sit there and smile.

***I present you here who can see and read this: This guy just doesn't get it. A Democracy is SUPPOSED to give everyone within it an opporunity to have a say in the operations of government. The 'style' of a Democracy changes, but should be supported and NOT alloed to deteriorate into a Militaristic coup. Now, back to Jocko***


Because all we have to go on are the words of a homicidal maniac and Jesse Jackson? Could it be because Aristide was a corrupt, murderous thug, even by Haitian standards?

*SURE, he could have been. And yet, he was an ELECTED official. If Haitians could vote, then they could perform a "recall" of that vote. Why weren't we actively supporting that process, instead of allowing and even enabling the "ousting" of a sitting Democratically Elected President???

And moreover, aren't you the one whose palms get sweaty every time you contemplate armed revolt against your own government? I would think you'd be cheering the rebels in this situation. Ah, but I forget - you don't cheer, you only bitch about things you don't understand and can't be bothered to learn.

*I believe my vote (with mine pen) is mightier than the arms I could raise against my elected officials (the sword).


You "know" nothing of the sort, and forget college - I'd love to know how you slipped under the radar when you graduated high school.

*I was a B student in high school, and graduated in the top quarter..or close to it. And in this case, I "KNOW" that a President was escorted out of rule by the United States.


Well, it IS your thread. What else did you expect?

*Much more from you, at the least...

Come on, you can't really be in favor of watching a Democracy fall, can you?
 
We dont care about other democracys. Just our own. We want the world to be settled to our benefit. Every country wants thast.

Did we install a democracy in Kuwait? No
Bicth about General Whozits in Packistan dumping the democracy and becoming a dictator? No

Why? cause its good for us. We can't be so blunt cause its bad PR.
 
To Zero:

Take a deep breath...yes, absolutely the UN should have stepped in and helped work out a democratic solution. The US should have been willing to assist in any way possible. None of that means you have to support Aristide or his government.

*No one said we should support any ONE person, but rather the system that put leaders in their positions.

Look, we are GREAT at running "recalls" of inept leaders, why NOT or why didn't we support that cause???

INSTEAD, we watched as an elected official feared a violent overthrow by what he repeatedly called "terrorists".

WHY?

Why an armed revolution, almost surely to result in a general annointing himself dictator...?
 
Re: To Zero:

King of the Americas said:
Take a deep breath...yes, absolutely the UN should have stepped in and helped work out a democratic solution. The US should have been willing to assist in any way possible. None of that means you have to support Aristide or his government.

*No one said we should support any ONE person, but rather the system that put leaders in their positions.

Look, we are GREAT at running "recalls" of inept leaders, why NOT or why didn't we support that cause???

INSTEAD, we watched as an elected official feared a violent overthrow by what he repeatedly called "terrorists".

WHY?

Why an armed revolution, almost surely to result in a general annointing himself dictator...?
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Because it is cheap, and no egg on America's face if it fails?
 
What Haiti had under Aristide was not a democracy.

Aristide had his chance and blew it.

If the U.S. is so bad, then why did we help to restore him to power in 1994? He's had plenty of time to establish a democracy and didn't.

The U.S. is there now precisely to prevent the drug lords form taking over. Think about it, folks. Do you really believe Bush would actually put drug lords in charge of Haiti?

THINK!

Some people just want to believe the worst about the U.S. and will swallow any story that confirms it without using some common sense.
 
To Zero:

I don't know if you've noticed, but we are kinda engaged in a little enterprise in the middle east, right now. Yeah, we are trying to set the example of how good 'democracy' is.

So it kinda makes sense that we support other already established Democracies...

Allowing Haiti's to fall is ignorant and hypocritical, especially when we KNEW it was going on. In fact we would NOT allow refuges to land here. It seems as though we did all the WRONG things.

Plainly put, I'd say we pissed a way a good opportunity to show how truly great Our Democracy really is...
 
Re: To Zero:

King of the Americas said:
I don't know if you've noticed, but we are kinda engaged in a little enterprise in the middle east, right now. Yeah, we are trying to set the example of how good 'democracy' is.
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Of course, there is "democracy" and "no democracy." It doesn't matter where, when, or who is involved, it's all about simplistic absolutes, isn't it?

If life were that simple, any orangutan could run the world, and you might even be qualified to be the king you imagine yourself to be.

It's not a black and white issue. You can't compare the two at all, yet you try...Kinda like how you asserted - with a straight face, presumably - that the odds of alien life were 50-50.... because it's either there or it's not, you said, and wondered why the whole world laughed.

So it kinda makes sense that we support other already established Democracies...
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It's been asserted here, with evidence, that Aristide's government was not a democracy in any significant way. There's more to it than the vote, you know. Hell, even Saddam got votes, right? Or is a multidimensional approach too much for your three-watt brain to cope with?

Allowing Haiti's to fall is ignorant and hypocritical, especially when we KNEW it was going on. In fact we would NOT allow refuges to land here. It seems as though we did all the WRONG things.
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What DID "we" do, KOA? What DO you "know"? As usual you're all judgments and no thought. Do you even know what the insurgency is about? Do you know what Aristide has been up to since '93? Well, do you?

Plainly put, I'd say we pissed a way a good opportunity to show how truly great Our Democracy really is...
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Funny, but after our "poor showing" the Haitians don't seem to hold it against us. in fact, they're headed for our shores by the hundreds right now.

Ironic, ain't it?

And plainly put, learn to use the quote function you imbecile.
 
Originally posted by demon
Why are "rat", "crazy" and "retarded" apt descriptions of Aristide?
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Rikzilla:
"No, but they are great descriptions of Demon."
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Dammit Rik, when do I make the grade of "pikey" with you?

I keep forgetting you aren`t really an imperialistic, bloodthirsty American are you..that`s just a caper isn`t it!
I`m still waiting for you to change your name to Fluffy;)
 
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