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Greta Thunberg - brave campaigner or deeply disturbed? Part II.

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Thank the anti nuclear protestors for that. For them nuclear means weapons and nothing else.
I think it is more complicated than that. In 2008 the UK announced a new nuclear power programme in a white paper. The building of a the biggest "Hinkley Point C" was announced in the same year. After repeated delays and spiralling costs (up to £26 billon now) it's now not due to 2028 and many are sceptical about that date. Maybe you could blame UK incompetency to a degree, but you can see similar stories all over the world.

The reason we haven't opened a nuclear power station since the 90s has more to do with how much cheaper and easier it was to build gas fired (Combined Cycle Gas Turbine) stations, rather than protestors. Yeah, the "dash for gas" looks short sighted now, but nobody thought it was crazy at the time.
 
The problem with gas came when the EU decided it was a "green" alternative.

Those of us in the know saw right through this and sat up all night in our warm houses during a windless freezing night furiously tweeting out demands for wind and solar. Some of us got distracted by pop up ads that let us know Mexican resort vacation packages were 50% off and booked as there were only four spaces eft at this amazing price but after we'd finished with that distraction, we went right back to saving the world from climate change.

Gas...green, lol. Fascist Europigs trying to pull the organic wool over our eyes again. We made Greta proud that night.
 
The twinning of the Nordstream pipeline is an indication that the switch to "green" natural gas was anything but temporary. Now German has entered into a 15 year deal with Qatar to buy 2 million tonnes of LNG/year.
 
The twinning of the Nordstream pipeline is an indication that the switch to "green" natural gas was anything but temporary. Now German has entered into a 15 year deal with Qatar to buy 2 million tonnes of LNG/year.

Is that an increase or decrease over the amount they were planning to buy from Russia ?

I hope that one (the only ?) positive effect from the war in Ukraine is that western European countries accelerate their plans to reduce energy consumption and to switch to renewable sources of energy.
 
I'd don't know what this will do to affect future consumption hopefully decrease it but time will tell. Likewise with the future of renewables, I can only guess that this will help accelerate their construction.

Greta Thunberg on green gas.
 
Gas isn't green. It is greener than coal, though, which is why replacing coal with gas makes sense as a temporary stopgap.

It's also very easy to bring online and offline in response to changes in load, this means it's going to be an essential component of the energy mixture for decades.
 
What about Nuclear power, including small modular reactors?

Size isn't the issue with nuclear reactors, until we move to an all fast reactor technology there simply isn't enough fuel available to replace burning hydrocarbons.

Furthermore lots of small reactors presents it's own issues, like reactors built in unsafe places, making sure they are all maintained in a way that allows them to run safely, lots more opportunities for local strongmen to seize radioactive material for dirty bombs, lots more targets for Russian artillery, etc.
 
I'd don't know what this will do to affect future consumption hopefully decrease it but time will tell. Likewise with the future of renewables, I can only guess that this will help accelerate their construction.

Greta Thunberg on green gas.

Where was Greta Thunberg when the Nordstream pipeline exploded? I am putting her top of the list of suspects. She should also get a medal for it!
 
Where was Greta Thunberg when the Nordstream pipeline exploded? I am putting her top of the list of suspects. She should also get a medal for it!

That's the question a lot of people have been asking. Officially she was at a black tie soirée hosted by Bid Wind and Solar however it's been reported she took an unusually long bathroom break.
 
That's the question a lot of people have been asking. Officially she was at a black tie soirée hosted by Bid Wind and Solar however it's been reported she took an unusually long bathroom break.
Oh, common, don't be silly. She wasn't on the boat - she just organised the black ops team.
 
Thank the anti nuclear protestors for that. For them nuclear means weapons and nothing else.
You have a funny view of what anti-nuclear protests are about.

The Half Life of Marie Curie
In 1920, Marie Curie developed cataracts... In 1934, she developed aplastic anemia, and her body stopped producing new blood cells. Marie Curie died on July 4, 1934, at the age of sixty six.

Now, more than 80 years since her death, the body of Marie Curie is still radioactive... Even Marie’s belongings—papers, furniture, cookbooks—are still radioactive. Her original notebooks, for example, are in France’s National Library, in Paris. Like their author, these manuscripts are in lead-lined boxes. If you want to hold her notebooks, you will need to sign a waiver and wear protective clothing...

Marie furthered the research of French Physicist Henri Becquerel. Becquerel discovered that uranium emitted rays. Marie discovered that these rays remained constant despite the uranium’s condition. She theorized that these rays originated from the atomic structure of the uranium. Her theory created the field of atomic physics. To describe this new kind of energy, Marie coined a new term:

Radioactivity.

The general attitude towards this new energy was that it had to be good for your health. Makers of everything—from cigarettes to makeup—added radioactive materials to their products. Burk & Braun, for instance, was a German candy company that produced the Radium Schokolade chocolate bar. It was marketed as chocolate that would make you look younger. Water crocks that stored drinking water were radium-lined. Manufacturers promoted them as a cure for arthritis and wrinkles. Golf balls had small amounts of radioactive materials embedded in them. This let Golfers find missing balls with a portable Geiger counter.

Nuclear proponents like to say that radioactivity is perfectly safe and protestors are deluded. It is not. Nuclear power plants are only safe because an enormous amount of effort is put into making them so. That requirement is what makes nuclear power plants uneconomic to build and operate compared to other energy sources.

Given the history of radioactive material usage, it's not surprising that the general public is suspicious of assurances by the industry. It's not just a fringe group of a few loonies who oppose nuclear. Governments around the world are committed to preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons (apart from the few bad actors who want more of them of course) and ensuring that accidents don't happen. But accidents sometimes do happen, and when they do public opinion swings against nuclear. That's on the nuclear industry, not the public.

At present, due to a large investment in safety, the chances of a catastrophic nuclear accident is low. However the consequences are extreme. Relaxing the regulations to make them cheaper to build (read 'more dangerous') is not an option. But if nuclear proponents were to get their way the number of plants would have to increase from ~450 worldwide to 15,000 or more, dramatically increasing the risk. Expect a major accident somewhere in the world every month.

As you can imagine, that would be devastating for the popularity of nuclear power - and we need nuclear right now because solar, wind and hydro aren't enough. The nuclear industry needs to own up to the risks and show they won't let incidents like Fukushima happen again. If they can't it's their own fault when people once again take to the streets en mass in protest.
 
The most famous examples of nuclear plant problems, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, probably Fukushima, all refute your claim that accidents would happen a lot more often. Chernobyl was an example of what happens when you deliberately circumvent or shut down every single mechanism of control, and neither Three Mile or Fukushima (which itself was not an accident but a giant tsunami) irradiated their environments despite the panicked claims. In fact, those incidents indicate just how safely we handle radioactive material.
 
I know that this news will disappoint many of you, but Greta had her high-school graduation yesterday, so she can't have any more school strikes:
Greta Thunberg har afholdt sin sidste skolestrejke for klimaet: 'Kampen er kun lige begyndt' (DR.dk, June 10, 2023)

The climate activist, who has inspired young people around the world to demand action against climate change, graduated from high school on Friday in Sweden.
Greta Thunberg Ends Her School Strikes After 251 Weeks (NYT, June 10, 2023)
 
The most famous examples of nuclear plant problems, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island, probably Fukushima, all refute your claim that accidents would happen a lot more often. Chernobyl was an example of what happens when you deliberately circumvent or shut down every single mechanism of control, and neither Three Mile or Fukushima (which itself was not an accident but a giant tsunami) irradiated their environments despite the panicked claims. In fact, those incidents indicate just how safely we handle radioactive material.


The maximum predicted eventual cancer mortality and morbidity estimate according to the linear no-threshold theory is 1,500 and 1,800, respectively, but with the strongest weight of evidence producing an estimate much lower, in the range of a few hundred. In addition, the rates of psychological distress among evacuated people rose fivefold compared to the Japanese average due to the experience of the disaster and evacuation. An increase in childhood obesity in the area after the accident has been attributed to recommendations that children stay indoors instead of going outside to play.
Fukushima nuclear disaster: Aftermath (Wikipedia)


Only a few hundred! Who gives a ****?! Besides, those lives are Japanese!
If disaster evacuation is so distressing, the solution is simple: Don't evacuate!
And if the children get fat because they can't play outside, you can't blame it on the radioactivity. Blame it on the recommendations! After all, that's what we did with the virus.

Since the whole thing was a giant tsunami, it's obvious whose fault it is: nature's!!!
 
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