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Gravity does not exist

Question said:
You don't have a videotape of a balloon full of helium, that flew in air, falling to the bottom of a vacuum chamber. Even if you did, I would first have to examine it for evidence of forgery before it would be convincing in the slightest. It might be more convincing if you didn't take so long to make the tape. Because everyone knows you're busy trying to figure out how to convincingly fake this thing.

Hell, I bet you don't have a legitimate videotape of something falling at all. And you expect the taxpayers to continue forking over their hard-earned money to the gravitationalists? No, your scam will soon come to an end.
Why are you pursuing this, Question? What is your purpose? I could understand it if itwas because you want to prove a point, that woo-woos have a hard time proving anything. So you want to show that is equally hard to prove scientifically truths. Am I on the right track? Question?

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athon said:
(BTW, this post has some merit in Beleth's patient demonstration of how to construct a valid scientific experiment.)
Thank you, Athon. That's the real reason I did it.
 
Anders said:
Why do you pursuing this, Question? What is your purpose? I could understand it if itwas because you want to prove a point, that woo-woos have a hard time proving anything. So you want to show that is equally hard to prove scientifically truths. Am I on the right track? Question?
YOU HAVE LOST. HAVE A NICE DAY.
 
Question said:
YOU HAVE LOST. HAVE A NICE DAY.
Ehh, lost what? Certainly not the debate, and FYI, it's night here.

And you're stuck with an open question, that you haven't answered.
 
Beleth said:
I therefore conclude that either you are lying when you say "gravity doesn't exist", or that nothing I can provide you would convince you that gravity exists. I must therefore resignedly leave you to your lies or your ignorance, whichever the case may be.
It appears that I can't convince you that gravity exists, nor can you convince me. Gravity is thus just a matter of opinion, and has no place being shoved down the throat of impressionable students. If gravity must be taught in public schools, then criticism of the theory should be examined also.
 
Anders said:
Ehh, lost what? Certainly not the debate, and FYI, it's night here.

And you're stuck with an open question, that you haven't answered.
----. You have lost. Have a nice day.
 
Question said:
It appears that I can't convince you that gravity exists,
We never discussed this.

nor can you convince me.
Correct.

Gravity is thus just a matter of opinion,
Incorrect conclusion. Just because I, Beleth, can't convince you with the tools I have at my disposal doesn't mean that you can't be convinced.

Just as soon as you decide what would convince you, that is.

And I see you have welshed on your bet. Wish I was surprised.

Goodbye, Question.
 
Beleth said:
We never discussed this.

Correct.

Incorrect conclusion. Just because I, Beleth, can't convince you with the tools I have at my disposal doesn't mean that you can't be convinced.

Just as soon as you decide what would convince you, that is.

And I see you have welshed on your bet. Wish I was surprised.

Goodbye, Question.

No one is going to bet money on this subject with the courts controlled by gravitationalists. You cannot prove that gravity exists, and neither can anyone else, because it does not exist. You seem to have an opinion that it does, but your opinion is wrong as demonstrated by balloons and countless other things. Wrong opinions about physics should not be taught in schools any more than Last Thursdayism. Why are you asking me what would convince me that gravity exists? I might as well ask you, what would convince you that gravity doesn't exist? Why don't you answer that eh!
 
Question said:
Concerning this debate, "KingMerv00,"

YOU HAVE LOST. HAVE A NICE DAY.

Well you are half right....go on....guess which half. (Hint: I had a nice day yesterday)

Oh and I figured out how to convince you of gravity.

God appeared to me in a dream and said it was so.

YOU HAVE LOST. HAVE AN TROLL DAY.
 
Question said:
No one is going to bet money on this subject with the courts controlled by gravitationalists. You cannot prove that gravity exists, and neither can anyone else, because it does not exist. You seem to have an opinion that it does, but your opinion is wrong as demonstrated by balloons and countless other things. Wrong opinions about physics should not be taught in schools any more than Last Thursdayism. Why are you asking me what would convince me that gravity exists? I might as well ask you, what would convince you that gravity doesn't exist? Why don't you answer that eh!
Goodbye, Question.
 
OK let me check in......
Haven't read the entire thread but.............

Question, what is your definition or understanding of the term "gravity"
 
Question said:
I might as well ask you, what would convince you that gravity doesn't exist?

Good starting point for evidence would be a object, that does not fall downnear sea level on earth without being supported by liquid or solid material.
I would first seek for any known explanation for the not falling of these object, e.g. there are good explanations why baloons, birds, helicopters, rockets and planes do not fall down, if they work correctly, while the theories also prdict that certain malfunctions would reduce or negate this flying ability.
If i fail to find a explanation, i would ask someone who might have knowledge about the not falling of this object. If no expert exists or if the explanation does not make any sense inside the mechanics and even QM and GR, then i would start testing.

First i would check, if it has any inertia mass according to F = m*a(= i'll try). From the m i get, i would calculate the force, that should act according to F= 9.81*m

Then i would check, if there is any known engine or energy transformation machine inside the object or if the object constantly emits any particles. If yes, i would switch it of and/or stop the emitting of particles. If that not possible i would calculate the net force that acts upon the object due to this particle emitting and energy transforming.

This would not convince me alone, i would then test whether the object still does not fall in vacuum. If not possible due to object being unfit for vacuum, i would calculate the force that acts upon the object due to the differences between the density(calculated from volume and m from F=m*a) of the surrounding air and the object.

Then i would check for if the object, is in any way electrical or magnetical charged or has a current flowing. If yes, i would either try to switch of any nearby electrical or magnetical field, that could interact with the objects magnetic or electrical field and is strong enough to create a force of the same magnitude of gravitation or create a electrical/magnetical field, that compensates the effects of the field i cannot turn of. If both not possible i would calculate the resulting force due to magnetic/electric fields.

If the resuting force of the effects i could not switch off, is not of opposite direction and same magnitutude as downward going grav. force from F = g*m, i would relax and start check my test/calculations very carefully for a mistake and i would refine used formulas to higher accuracy, where possible(e.g. F=g*m replaced with F= gravconst*M(earth mass) *m/r**2). This process would require several days or more and in this time i would keep a close watch via cameras upon the object to see, if it does not fall after some days.

If it's still up and my refined calculations still do not yield any force that compensates the grav. force, i would go outside the building and look up or just look up, to see, if Planet X is hovering right above my testing grounds.

Then i would start considering gravity not existing or at least not existing in the way we think.
Furthermore i would ready a paper on the whole stuff and consultate other scientists(especially experts on GR) upon this and if they agree with my conclusion, i would publish and hope to bask in some prices, maybe not nobel, but some minor should be reasonable for this.


Carn

Anyone else willing to agree that an object passing this procedure would very certainly defy gravity in some unknown way?
 
Question said:
No one is going to bet money on this subject with the courts controlled by gravitationalists. You cannot prove that gravity exists, and neither can anyone else, because it does not exist. You seem to have an opinion that it does, but your opinion is wrong as demonstrated by balloons and countless other things. Wrong opinions about physics should not be taught in schools any more than Last Thursdayism. Why are you asking me what would convince me that gravity exists? I might as well ask you, what would convince you that gravity doesn't exist? Why don't you answer that eh!
Which brings me again to the question: "Why on earth are you doing this?". Is it to make a point, or are you just trolling?
 
Anders said:
Which brings me again to the question: "Why on earth are you doing this?". Is it to make a point, or are you just trolling?
You have lost, Anders. Have a nice day.
 
Anders said:
*sigh* still night here in Europe! :hit:

And you're avoidning my question.
Don't be so dense.

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Well as You haven't defined your own constraints, Your arguments can be attributed to be exactly what they are, Poo-poo.
You have lost, Question. Have a nice day.
 
TillEulenspiegel said:
Well as You haven't defined your own constraints, Your arguments can be attributed to be exactly what they are, Poo-poo.
You have lost, Question. Have a nice day.
You just don't get it, do you?

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