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GOP eats their own.

ZirconBlue said:
Well, half of the people willing to vote in the first place are willing to vote for idiots. A lot of us just stay home, apparently.
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That could be interpreted as "a lot of us are content to just sit there and twiddle our thumbs no matter how incompetent a candidate threatens to be elected, apparently".
 
Andrew Wiggin said:
Lots of good things going on with this.

Anonomous 'high net worth' individuals become less 'high net worth' funding super PACs.

Said anonymous individuals eventually lose their anonymity, because the law does call for disclosure, even if not in a timely fashion.

Canidates become more obviously bought and paid for tools to advance 'high net worth' individuals' interests.

Republicans do Obama's work for him by digging up and publicizing each other's closet skeletons and secret nastiness.

The 'I can be more conservative than you are' game plays out like a gas war, leading all the candidates to adopt such extreme positions that they ALL become unelectable.

Good times.
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I've been thinking about this of late, and I recall reading something about it somewhere (can't remember where - stupid brain); it was something to the effect that it appears that one of the things actually hurting the Republican candidates right now is the SuperPAC system. They are using it so extensively to dump vast amounts of money into negative advertising against each other that it is digging up all kinds of nastiness that would likely have never surfaced in the first place.

Ah, the irony :)
 
RandFan said:
To begin with, I don't view the world in any such fashion. I will admit that my rhetoric might at times appear that way. But in reality, unlike many on this forum I actually want, very much, healthy and vibrant oppositions. I don't buy into the notion of good party bad party. So, if you appeal to my better angels I'll gladly admit that the GOP isn't monolithic and that it is unfair to paint with a broad brush. And that's something that many of the opponents of OWS are not willing to do.

To answer your questions directly. There has been much that has bothered me about the GOP for some time now. Primarily the ever growing incestuous relationship with religion. And yes, I did very much despise the anti-women sentiment of a large and vocal segment and I would be frustrated by the fervor of it that would boil over from time to time.

I do very much believe that the GOP has been moving further and further to the right. So much so that it has driven into a ditch and is now beholden to some of the worst ideologues of the party.
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Well said, Randfan. As an independent who once voted Republican as often as Democrat, I heartily agree. The post-2000(ish) GOP has driven me quite firmly into the Democratic fold, and they aren't doing much of anything to win me back.

*Note my sig below*
 
Tony said:
The time between then and November is a small space for something to happen. Such an event would have to be pretty severe and the public would have to put the blame unambiguously on the president for it to really swing the election.
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A Kenyan birth certificate? :cool:
 
MattusMaximus said:
Well said, Randfan. As an independent who once voted Republican as often as Democrat, I heartily agree. The post-2000(ish) GOP has driven me quite firmly into the Democratic fold, and they aren't doing much of anything to win me back.

*Note my sig below*
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If only it was 1964.
 
Brainster said:
Or has the party only recently become "extremist" in your view?
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I'm not Randfan, but since I was old enough to vote, I have voted Republican in every presidential election until the last two.

Until about ten years ago, while Republican platforms had some items I disagreed with, the party also still contained some candidates and electeds who were sensible, moderate, intelligent people. Although there might have been some anti-woman sentiment, there were also members of the party who took the other side. There was hope (or at least I had hope) that a change of attitude was possible.

About the time W was elected, the Republican Party went in an actually frightening new direction. They began to adopt a party-wide meanness that previously had been seen only in Newt Gingrich and his cronies. They began to actively embrace and promote ignorance, especially of science. They began to exhibit contempt of anyone who was not light-skinned and of western European descent. They began to intrude into people's bedrooms and into the relationship between a woman and her doctor. They began to promote ideology at the expense of public health. They began to demonize anyone with whom they disagreed - those people were not wrong, but evil. Contrary to the U.S. Constitution, they began to work to establish a religion-based government - and only one narrow segment of one religion, at that.

I'm not much of an alarmist, but the current Republican Party truly scares me. And, as I say, up until not long ago I probably would have described myself as an independent with strong Republican leanings.
 
Brainster said:
So you have reversed your position about 180 degrees from the OP?

BTW, you were a Republican for a long time. What about all the "anti-women" bills back then? Did you just hold your nose and vote GOP anyway? Or has the party only recently become "extremist" in your view?
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I can't really speak for him, but- I think reality jumped up and smacked him square in the puss.
And, happily, I welcome him to the underclass.
 
MattusMaximus said:
Nom, nom, nom

:popcorn1

ETA: having said that, I actually do think Santorum is too damned extreme. I would much prefer to see him drop out of the race so that the more reasonable, moderate Romney could return. At least then there might be some semblance of a reasonable election run, instead of the clown show the GOP has been putting on display.
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Ahh yes, the American Voting process ROCKS! More than that, the people involved in the voting process are THE SHIZZLE!!
 
Elizabeth I said:
I'm not much of an alarmist, but the current Republican Party truly scares me. And, as I say, up until not long ago I probably would have described myself as an independent with strong Republican leanings.
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Same here. I once had to debate whether I was really a Democrat or a Republican and who I voted for tended to come down to the person and not the party.

But today things have just gotten scary. I no longer look at Republicans as people that simply have a different opinion of things. I look at them as evil people who could not care one bit if I lived or died and would gladly expedite my death if it furthered their ideology. They are now a party of cruel and despicable lies spread in order to further an agenda of misery, servitude and death. They cannot be reasoned with. They cannot be negotiated with. All we can hope to do is to destroy them utterly and completely.

I hope a new party comes along that represents what the Republicans used to be about. Because we do need multiple parties in order to make sure there is some opposition.
 
Here is another commentary I thought was very interesting. It helps explain the current GOP fervor over the direction of the country. I'm not sure I buy the whole enchilada but it is an good read.
 
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GreyArea said:
There's already talk about the effect of gas prices on the election, and earlier examinations that show some correlation with incumbent popularity. I've been wondering if tensions and war with Iran would affect the economy in a way that hammers at Obama's approval ratings.

Would a blockage of the Strait of Hormuz lead to an increase in Santorum?
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Did you intend for that to sound so much like an uncomfortable GI condition?
 
Polaris said:
Did you intend for that to sound so much like an uncomfortable GI condition?
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Well, I for one hope that such a scenario never happens, since too many of our G.I.'s are already in uncomfortable conditions.
 
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