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Goodbye Liberals?

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/election2005/

The opposition has set Nov. 28 as the most likely date to bring down the minority Liberal government, forcing an election campaign over the Christmas and New Year's holidays.

Prime Minister Paul Martin repeated Wednesday previous statements that he won't give in to opposition demands he call an election in early January.

If Martin doesn't change his mind, the opposition is vowing to bring down the government at the end of the month. Opposition Leader Stephen Harper laid out the most likely scenario for how the minority Parliament would come to an end.

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If the no-confidence motion passes, the government will fall and Canadians will be in the midst of an election campaign.

In Ottawa on Wednesday, Martin said he is sticking to his plan to call a vote after the second Gomery report into the sponsorship scandal is released in early February.
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Any thoughts on this?

I know what I would like to see happen, unlikely as it is. Of course, Ontario is just going to keep voting Liberal, regardless.
 
If Martin falls, who is likely to be MP...Torries or NDP? Or, is it the populist/conservative party from out west whose name I can't remember? WHo is likely to be the next PM
 
I shudder to think a Stephen Harper living on Sussex Street.

But being Canadian, I know how crazy we can get. Remember when the NDP ran Ontario?

Charlie (boy, did they screw that up) Monoxide
 
IIRC, polls showed if an election happened today (today meaning a week or two ago), another minority liberal government would be elected (which would be silly). I can't see the Conservatives or the NDP winning a majority government any time soon (and I would not like to see either), though a minority conservative government would be an intriguing idea (as the Liberals should not be allowed to rule Canada forever).
 
I'm going to make a prediction (easy): we are going to end up with another Liberal minority government. The Liberals will loose a few seats, mostly in Quebec. The Bloc will win some. The NDP will win a couple more seats, mostly at the expense of the Liberals. The Tories will pretty much stay were they are now i.e. hardly any seats east of Manitoba. And everyone except the Bloc will feel that this election was a big waste of time and money... And after this election, Harper will resign.
 
I agree with Orwell. I think that bringing the government down now is just stupid. Martin has already stated that he will call an election in the new year after Gomery pt. II. I see no advantage to calling an election now just to tick people off over the holidays. If anything, I think it will backfire against the Conservatives.

On another note, why would Layton and the NDP agree to such a plan? This parliament gives them an unusual level of influence over policy. Unless they have delusions of grandeur, they must know that they are unlikely to wield such influence after the next election.
 
The NDP is in one hell of a fix: they like the influence they have over the Libs, but they don't want to become associated with them, nor do they want to appear like they're just blackmailing the Libs into accepting their proposals... They've probably accepted to partially go along with this in an attempt to distance themselves from the Libs.
 
Are liberals and conservatives in Canada enemies like they are in the USA?

Or friends, as they are in Europe?

And, do they follow the liberal ideology, unlike the Democratic Party in the USA?

Sorry, I know next to nothing about Canadian politics.
 
My try at this:

Progressive Conservatives -- like Moderate Republicans

Liberals -- Similar to Democrats

NDP -- Democratic Socialists

Now, there's a populist movement from out west...they are more like Conservative Republicans.

How's this?
 
Didn't really answer my questions, headscratcher, but thanks for the insight :)
 
headscratcher4 said:
My try at this:

Progressive Conservatives -- like Moderate Republicans

Liberals -- Similar to Democrats

NDP -- Democratic Socialists

Now, there's a populist movement from out west...they are more like Conservative Republicans.

How's this?
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Actually, it's not Progressive Conservatives. They joined with the western populist party, the Alliance party, and are now the Conservatives. They're.....conservative.

WRT this non-confidence vote, I see all parties as seriously shooting themselves in their collective feet. I think it'll end up being a fiasco. Everyone is irked with politicians, and the last thing they want is to have their christmas/newyears interrupted by dorks politicking.

Personally, I would have gone for an election in late february, early march. Not much happens in canada during those times, and the lawn signs burn well in the fireplace on those cold winter nights.
 
Badger said:
Actually, it's not Progressive Conservatives. They joined with the western populist party, the Alliance party, and are now the Conservatives. They're.....conservative.

WRT this non-confidence vote, I see all parties as seriously shooting themselves in their collective feet. I think it'll end up being a fiasco. Everyone is irked with politicians, and the last thing they want is to have their christmas/newyears interrupted by dorks politicking.

Personally, I would have gone for an election in late february, early march. Not much happens in canada during those times, and the lawn signs burn well in the fireplace on those cold winter nights.
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Thanks...I used to follow Canadian politics more closely, but I wasn't sure about the Alience party.

I still remember when Ontario was dominiated by the PG's under Bill Davis...he once told me (when I was studying in Ontario and questioning him about Ontario party politics) "We are progressive when it comes to moving the province forward, and conservative about all of the good things in Canada and Ontario. How could anyone find fault with that?"
 
Badger said:
Actually, it's not Progressive Conservatives. They joined with the western populist party, the Alliance party, and are now the Conservatives. They're.....conservative.
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Wait, I thought they were the Judean's Popular People's Front!
 
It should be interesting.

I am debating between voting for the NDP or Green.

Liberals have been in power too long, are becoming less liberal as time goes by, and are corrupt bastards. The Conservatives are just that, right-wing nuts. Think like Dems fiscally, but Rebups ideologiacaly.
 
I generally vote conservative, as I like my MP (one of only two conservatives to break with party ranks on the gay marriage issue). Although I do like Green as an alternative.

Harper's okay, he's just...well, boring as ****. I liked Belinda Stronach better.

But then again, we all know what the only conservative bone in her body was...
 
Jas said:
I generally vote conservative, as I like my MP (one of only two conservatives to break with party ranks on the gay marriage issue). Although I do like Green as an alternative.

Harper's okay, he's just...well, boring as ****. I liked Belinda Stronach better.

But then again, we all know what the only conservative bone in her body was...
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You know that most of the old time Progressive Conservatives have a very low opinion of Peter MacKay, don't you? A friend of mine (who calls himself a small c conservative) typically pairs that name with a long list of expletives that can't be reproduced here... But the general idea is that MacKay is a traitor and a liar.
 
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