God Stops Time For Atheists

caniswalensis said:
Logically, I think it holds water that an all-powerful creator of the universe has some reponsability to its creations to get them started on the right foot.
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Unless said creator has the same motivation as a 12-year old with a magnifying glass who finds an anthill...
caniswalensis said:
I have to wonder about the fate of all the humans that came before religion. I think it is clear from the archeological/historical record that there is not a universal religion that started them all. Certainly not in the Judeo-Christian tradition.
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It has been said that the first religion started when the first scoundrel encountered the first fool.
caniswalensis said:
Shouldn't a diety of this type be there right at the start, making sure that the beings whose eternal souls depend on it, have a clear understanding of their situation?
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What does understanding have to do with religion? Because even if the creator was right there at the start and said something like, "I have given you the freedom to choose to do anything you want, except to eat the fruit from my favorite tree", the created people might simply wait for the moment when the creator's attention was elsewhere, and then gorge themselves on the forbidden fruit.
caniswalensis said:
Obviously, I do not subscribe to a literal interpretaion of Genisis. If someone here does, I do not mean to offend or start a debate. I am just posting from my own perspecrtive.
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Mneh ... I doubt that anyone who believes the creation myth from the book of Genesis would last very long here.
 
I'm at a loss as to why so many people are completely missing the point of the OP, which is an argument against the 'argument by bully' argument for fundy xtianity.
 
bignickel said:
I'm at a loss as to why so many people are completely missing the point of the OP, which is an argument against the 'argument by bully' argument for fundy xtianity.
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Yeah, I got that about halfway through my first post in this thread, but the OP does otherwise bring up an interesting point or two.
 
Kahalachan said:
I understand the conjunction fallacy. But when working with something impossible, more information to clarify would be needed.
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Okay, now I'm really confused. I thought we were talking about people that don't think God is impossible.

In my experience, most thinking Christians some it up in some form of "God works in mysterious ways". They may put it differently, as in "we can't know the mind of God", but it all means the same thing. I.e, they see something that they can't explain using logic. Rather than just making up something, which is nearly guaranteed to be false, they just say "I can't explain it". It's simpler, and thus more likely to be true.
 
Given the hypothetical in the OP, what point is there in accepting Jesus as savior? God is right there, making his judgement. No doubt he exists. Define '' savior''.
 
What would be the point in all the fire n brimstone scare tactics **** if he's just gonna let everyone in because they're scared of going to hell? Isn't heaven the reward for faith? Isn't condemning the non believers to hades what keeps the numbers down for heaven - separating the wheat from the chaff and all that? God wants blind belief not opportunists avoiding a eternal, fiery pit. Deciding on heaven or hell after seeing hell isn't faith, it's common sense; You'd have to be psychologically disturbed to choose hell and not accept jesus - and what kind of god would let someone who's not right in the head burn in hell anyway? Especially when he created them.

What kind of creator would just go "so, now you've seen hell, do you want to come to my house instead?!" That makes him kind of a pussy. It's like being manipulated by the creepy kid at school to go play at his.
 
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Red3 said:
What would be the point in all the fire n brimstone scare tactics **** if he's just gonna let everyone in because they're scared of going to hell? Isn't heaven the reward for faith? Isn't condemning the non believers to hades what keeps the numbers down for heaven - separating the wheat from the chaff and all that? God wants blind belief not opportunists avoiding a eternal, fiery pit. Deciding on heaven or hell after seeing hell isn't faith, it's common sense; You'd have to be psychologically disturbed to choose hell and not accept jesus - and what kind of god would let someone who's not right in the head burn in hell anyway? Especially when he created them.

What kind of creator would just go "so, now you've seen hell, do you want to come to my house instead?!" That makes him kind of a pussy. It's like being manipulated by the creepy kid at school to go play at his.
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Straight talk from a Yorkshireman. What else? Not Sheffield, by any chance?!
 
Mister Agenda said:
I don't see that, Sun Countess. I'm seeing a proposed addition to Christian theology that might reduce their urge to proselytize, which I would welcome.

An even greater improvement would be to get rid of hell for nonbelievers altogether, which has support in some denominations.
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Yeah exactly.

And yes when I was Christian I just simply did away with Hell. That was the eventual most logical step. At least eternal hell.
 
Kahalachan said:
Yeah exactly.

And yes when I was Christian I just simply did away with Hell. That was the eventual most logical step. At least eternal hell.
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So you still envisage[d] a hell of finite duration then, "logically" speaking?!

What about certain other Christian beliefs that, given the "eventual most logical step" should be "simply [done] away with"?!
 
Southwind17 said:
So you still envisage[d] a hell of finite duration then, "logically" speaking?!

What about certain other Christian beliefs that, given the "eventual most logical step" should be "simply [done] away with"?!
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Well yes. A prison sentence. A way to rehabilitate and punish accordingly. I envisioned a hell sentence for Hitler. Taking in the average lifespan and the millions of lives who lost that life, several hundred million years?

And yes I did eventually take the most logical steps removing Christian dogma to the point I was a deist for a long time. And then I simply questioned the premise and need to believe in a deity to begin with and then atheism was inevitable.
 
Southwind17 said:
What about certain other Christian beliefs that, given the "eventual most logical step" should be "simply [done] away with"?!
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And that right there is my problem with faith; the fact people just cut the bits out they don't like. What a complete cop out. Let's just get rid of the nasty bits so it's all love and light - uuggghh...And xstians wonder why people don't like them.
 
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Red3 said:
Is it that obvious?!
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Just a guess from a former Gleadless lad!

Kahalachan said:
Well yes. A prison sentence. A way to rehabilitate and punish accordingly. I envisioned a hell sentence for Hitler. Taking in the average lifespan and the millions of lives who lost that life, several hundred million years?
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And then what, a spell of correctional rehab with the angels?

Kahalachan said:
And yes I did eventually take the most logical steps removing Christian dogma to the point I was a deist for a long time. And then I simply questioned the premise and need to believe in a deity to begin with and then atheism was inevitable.
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What application of logic led to atheism by gradation? Did you keep getting the algebra wrong?!

thaiboxerken said:
Kahalachan seems to be confusing wishful thoughts and desires with logic.
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Not uncommon, for non-logicians.
 
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