"God doesn't make mistakes."

HansMustermann said:
Which is a bit of a contradiction with Paul's telling us it was "the twelve" who witnessed it, though, isn't it?
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And where in the Bible is anything not in contradiction to something elsewhere in the Bible?


If someone says A and supports it clearly with verses it is guaranteed that someone else can say Not(A) and also support the assertion just as convincingly with other verses.
 
Leumas said:
It is in Acts 1:23-26. They elected Matthias. This was AFTER Jesus went back up for the last time in Acts 1:9.
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Craig B said:
Look at Acts 1:10-23. It was after the resurrection. Jesus departs skyward in Acts 1:9. And it was Matthias who was chosen, by lot.
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Thank you for clarifying that. It would appear there is yet another contradiction in the Bible, unless "The Twelve" is a name for the group, notwithstanding the actual number of apostles in existence at any given time.
 
HansMustermann said:
Which is a bit of a contradiction with Paul's telling us it was "the twelve" who witnessed it, though, isn't it?
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Twelve! He's got an additional 500 people witnessing it, unknown to the gospels and Acts. So, big-time discrepancies, if not contradictions.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Children born to live in absolute agony for a few years with no hope of growing older might be glowing successes to him
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This is very personal to me, having almost been one such child. I was born with a heart defect that if left untreated would have given me about a 1-year life-span in which I would have been constantly starving, since all of my intake went to keeping the heart pumping.

However, I was lucky enough to have been born in an era and a place where human ingenuity had progressed far enough for medical experts to identify the error and develop a technique for correcting it. (this required cutting open my chest and making surgical alterations on my aorta, so that it functioned properly)

The very fact that doctors were able to identify and repair this is evidence that this happened often enough before I was born that the problem was researched.

So, yes I am one of those mistakes that God does not make. I live today only because for generations previous Man had decided to take its fate into its own hand and figure out how to fix nature's mistakes and stop relying on a non-existent God.

This is the very reason that I gladly put my faith in my fellow human beings rather than some imaginary deity.
 
cwalner said:
This is very personal to me, having almost been one such child. I was born with a heart defect that if left untreated would have given me about a 1-year life-span in which I would have been constantly starving, since all of my intake went to keeping the heart pumping.

However, I was lucky enough to have been born in an era and a place where human ingenuity had progressed far enough for medical experts to identify the error and develop a technique for correcting it. (this required cutting open my chest and making surgical alterations on my aorta, so that it functioned properly)

The very fact that doctors were able to identify and repair this is evidence that this happened often enough before I was born that the problem was researched.

So, yes I am one of those mistakes that God does not make. I live today only because for generations previous Man had decided to take its fate into its own hand and figure out how to fix nature's mistakes and stop relying on a non-existent God.

This is the very reason that I gladly put my faith in my fellow human beings rather than some imaginary deity.
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I know a guy who is diabetic since childhood and would not be alive if it were not for the invention of insulin and the technology that measures his blood sugar levels and delivers the insulin to his body.


YET..... beyond belief and reason..... this man is a Methodist Reverend.


As far as I can tell he is not a huckster..... I really think that he truly believes that he is doing god's will and that it is Jesus who made it possible for him to survive despite his illness.


:boggled:
 
Craig B said:
Twelve! He's got an additional 500 people witnessing it, unknown to the gospels and Acts. So, big-time discrepancies, if not contradictions.
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The 500 too, but he explicitly mentions a group as "the twelve" in there, before the 500. The church interprets it as the twelve apostles, so, really, who was the twelfth? If Judas had kicked the bucket already, and at any rate he probably wouldn't be allowed to hang around with the cool apostles any more after that stunt, and Matthew isn't chosen yet, I'd like someone who actually believes in the inerrancy of the bible and the Holy Spook dictating it to tell me who was the 12'th :p

Maybe it was the forgotten apostle Rufus who was erased later for being black? :p (See the movie Dogma.)
 
TimCallahan said:
The title of this thread is rendered in quotes because I've heard said thus many times by evangelical Christians. Along with this bit dogma is another: "There are no accidents." The ideas that God doesn't make mistakes and that there are no accidents are often used to attack not only abortion, but birth control as well. So, if you find out early in the pregnancy that the embryo / fetus / child has Tay-Sachs syndrome, you aren't allowed to abort. God doesn't make mistakes, You were meant to care for that child, not abort it before its brain synapses connect up.
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If god doesn't make mistakes then his not preventing the abortion clearly indicates that this was part of his plan.
 
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Leumas said:
I know a guy who is diabetic since childhood and would not be alive if it were not for the invention of insulin and the technology that measures his blood sugar levels and delivers the insulin to his body.


YET..... beyond belief and reason..... this man is a Methodist Reverend.


As far as I can tell he is not a huckster..... I really think that he truly believes that he is doing god's will and that it is Jesus who made it possible for him to survive despite his illness.


:boggled:
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Diabetes was created by Big Pharma to facilitate the selling of insulin. It didn't exist back in the olde days.
 
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