Geometry of Electron Shells

Schneibster said:
Actually... :D

Never mind the nutter who started the thread.

Just by having three space dimensions, and charges, masses, and EM force strength like they are, those "magic numbers" just fall out, naturally, with no need for any help from jebus.

David, this is a skeptic web site. You are in the wrong place. You cannot win; you can only end up looking foolish, because you are entering a battle of wits unarmed. If I were you, I'd never post here again.
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Aw, come on Schneibster, tell him what you really think, don't be so easy on him.

David, come on over to the dark side. Get a degree in Chemistry so you can learn that chemical bonding is not about sex.

What do you call it when 3 atoms share 2 electrons?

Or him above forbid, when 6 atoms share 3 pairs of electrons?

Are those kinds of sex acceptable in your book?

You are kind of like the family on this weeks episode of wife swap, all the math you need is countin eggs!
 
bobdroege7 said:
Aw, come on Schneibster, tell him what you really think, don't be so easy on him.
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Atleast his manners seemed to have improved, though, we haven't gotten to end of this thread yet.
 
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Davidjayjordan said:
I agree, sometimes looking at base 2 can make sense when base 10 does not.

Base 2 is computer oriented, via either plus or minus, or open or closed circuits... but that's more significant for the 432 harmony than HERE, but then again because electrons have to be paired, or opposite so as to balance... then good point.

PS) Why am I here to learn, by sharing what we know or think we know, we can check out our ideas and progress....only false skeptics are into nithingness and no progress. True skeptics come to learn and gain INsights and CONNECT up the worlds in which we live.
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This is NOT a school lesson. This is NOT how you do science. I am waiting for YOU to tell US your amazing knowledge.

Let me repeat: TRUE skeptics show their ALL workings out. So we expect the same from you.

All I can see from you is trolling to push up your own website counters. If that's all you are here for, the game has been obvious for some time. And it's failing. Your website is so full of random ◊◊◊◊◊ that it makes no sense at all. None. Nada. Nothing.

Now. Lay out HERE all your amazing theories and have them examined by people who do this for a living. If you won't then we will be forced to conclude you are simply full of it and a troll. Or that you need to have your head shrunk. And I am pretty sure that you can guess which way the general consensus is heading about now.

OK? Now get on with it, why don't you.
 
Schneibster said:
...I love how fools think these are "magic numbers" because they read it in some fifty-year-old physics text.
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But Schneibster, they are magic numbers -- because that's how the world works! : )

Thank you for the extremely cogent explanation. I'm an art major, so I'm going to have to go through it a couple of times more, slowly, reading it out loud, but it makes sense.

A friend of mine tried to break down quantum physics -- well, at least the electron shell and color frequency thing -- with the following analogy: it's like tiered "wedding-stack" of champagne glasses. There's a certain amount of energy (champagne) that can be contained in any given level, and once that level is filled, the energy (champagne) jumps directly to the next level. Is this a good analogy, if somewhat (very) distant from what you've so precisely described here?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Actually I am HERE on this thread to see alternative ideas to MINE on Electron SHELLS, and how they were created and WHY ?
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Finally one I can answer. Why were electron shells created? There is no rational answer to why anything about the universe is the way it is. You can speculate all you want about a purpose for the universe, but there is no way to know if a purpose even exists. If you speculate enough you will eventually convince yourself you have found something (even though you haven't).
 
Jackalgirl said:
A friend of mine tried to break down quantum physics -- well, at least the electron shell and color frequency thing -- with the following analogy: it's like tiered "wedding-stack" of champagne glasses. There's a certain amount of energy (champagne) that can be contained in any given level, and once that level is filled, the energy (champagne) jumps directly to the next level. Is this a good analogy, if somewhat (very) distant from what you've so precisely described here?
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Well, an inverted one, with more glasses at the top than the bottom, and with the champagne flowing from the bottom to the top.:)
 
RenaissanceBiker said:
Finally one I can answer. Why were electron shells created? There is no rational answer to why anything about the universe is the way it is. You can speculate all you want about a purpose for the universe, but there is no way to know if a purpose even exists. If you speculate enough you will eventually convince yourself you have found something (even though you haven't).
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Finnally an honest athiest..... who believes in nothing and sees nothing and no connections, no rthyme, no reason, no logic, no string theory, no Unified Field Force, just luck and chance and a BIG explosion that harmonically made everything that is.... and they call me nuts to deflect their obvious shallow thinking as they just can;t put 2 and 2 together.

Thanks Biker for stating your religion so eloquently.. Much appreciated
 
I kind of like the idea that electron spin pairing is sexual in nature.

"You see, Timmy, when a mommy electron and a daddy electron love each other very much, they assume opposite spins within the same three-dimensional standing wave configuration around an atomic nucleus..."

But I also wonder about DJJ's "true skeptic" theme. Do you think he cuts and pastes different versions of this for every bulletin board he posts on? Like, on a tornado chasers' board: "True storm chasers understand that tornados follow simple mathematical RULES of the DESIGNER." Or: "True Nazis understand that Hitler's greatness comes only from understanding the geometrical ratios of the swastika that echo the progression of the Platonic solids, while false Nazis are only interested in nothingness and politics."

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
Davidjayjordan said:
""But a full completed outer ring or shell is at 2, 8, 18, 32, etc...as their electrons have paired electronically or sexually if you like....
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2 squared x 2 = [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]8[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
3 squared x 2 = [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]18[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]
4 squared x 2 = [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]32[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] And there's your SOLUTION. ""[/SIZE]
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You need to see Fibonacci. I understand that this is a DIFFICULT topic, but please persevere - it is IMPORTANT.

the 1st and 2nd NUMBER = 2

the 4th AND 5th number = 8

THE 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th number = 18

the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th number = 32

And Fibonacci is closely related TO phi - the UNIVERSAL ratio!!! THIS beautiful number DETERMINES the universe.

Why do you BELIEVE in meaningless geometric progressions when you can believe in PHI???
 
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Schneibster said:
Actually... :D

Never mind the nutter who started the thread. David, this is a skeptic web site. You are in the wrong place. You cannot win; you can only end up looking foolish, because you are entering a battle of wits unarmed. If I were you, I'd never post here again.
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He entered, was slaughtered, still trolls, said he was leaving, didn't, He is a motherflipping troll:D
 
He tried to take the conversation to his own board, but I was the only one who went, and after 3 posts told him where to stuff it. He needs an audience, so he's back.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Finnally an honest athiest..... who believes in nothing and sees nothing and no connections, no rthyme, no reason, no logic, no string theory, no Unified Field Force, just luck and chance and a BIG explosion that harmonically made everything that is....
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That is not the case.

Perhaps he is an atheist who believes that the physics in atomic systems are described by quantum mechanics?

The properties of electron shells are a natural consequence of quantum mechanics, as has been explained to you (Schroedinger equation and the Pauli principle are all you need). Quantum mechanics are far from "nothing"
 
Schneibster said:
Actually... :D

Never mind the nutter who started the thread. Here's my understanding of how it works, and Buckaroo, anything you can contribute to this understanding without simply deriding it I think many here will find helpful...
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I have been slapped into next week, and stand corrected. This is better than anything I could've managed, especially at midnight Seattle time! Why would you think I might deride it? My rancor is reserved for posters like DJJ. ;)

(I'm a big fan of your work on the global warming threads, incidentally.)
 
That website IS a work of wonder though. It collects almost every idiot woo theory around all in one difficult to digest site.

I've been alternately laughing and shaking my head in disbelief.

Now I'm feeling guilty because I'm thinking mental illness.
 
Zep said:
This is NOT a school lesson. This is NOT how you do science. I am waiting for YOU to tell US your amazing knowledge.

Let me repeat: TRUE skeptics show their ALL workings out. So we expect the same from you.


OK? Now get on with it, why don't you.
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First you have to admit that you haven't got any ideas or see any connections, or know any reasons for these full shell numbers. That's fine.

So Yes, Zep, I should give you my idea... this even though if any would have taken GEOMETRY seriously and studied just a reasonable amount. They might have come up with the obvious answer.

Equality of distances in a sphere or a shell is surely the answer.

So even though you can't prove or answer questions or skepticism about nothing because you have nothing, let me suggest this Answer.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GeometryofElectronPlacement.html

It has some graphics which make it easier to comprehend..

I'm just finnishing it off, and will be changing a few parts and adding more of a conclusion.... as true skeptics come to conclusions and try to establish order and laws out of chaos and seeming meaningless.

Math is the answer, equi-distances is the answer. And P******** S****** is the answer...

And surely by now you understand what P.S. stands for....

IHS

david
 
Davidjayjordan said:
let me suggest this Answer.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GeometryofElectronPlacement.html
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*sigh*

Djj, the very first sentence on that site is WRONG. It is factually wrong. What is your problem?

btw, the formatting on that site is garbage too... you could at least learn web design, as it requires knowledge neither of Jesus nor physics.

ETA: Similar to Ziggurat's 1st page link on electron configuration, I give you this Wiki link on atomic orbitals.

Atomic orbital
 
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Davidjayjordan said:
So even though you can't prove or answer questions or skepticism about nothing because you have nothing, let me suggest this Answer.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/GeometryofElectronPlacement.html

It has some graphics which make it easier to comprehend..
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Just for yuks, I visited this URL. Here's the very first sentence I see:

"Electrons are in orbits within spheres around the nucleus of an atom."

Is there any reason to go further? DJJ, may I suggest again that you are out of your depth? Read over this thread again to see what is wrong with this statement.
 
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