General Republicans are nuts.

Norman Alexander said:
I don't think anyone has any major objections to reasoned conservatism. Same as for reasoned liberalism. There's probably a large overlap between them where sensible discussion can be had, and compromise and fair outcomes can be achieved. Which is probably what the US founding fathers had in mind. A balance.

Unfortunately the conservative bloc has been dragged so far away from any sensible solutions by the looney right that that overlap has diminished or just disappeared. The Venn diagram is two circles, one in the middle just slightly offset to the left and the other far over on the other side of the page on the right. There is now no balance. The "left" is unable to compromise because the looney right has taken the conservative side out of the conversation. They are not even in the room, so how can there be dialogue?

The problem with Fox, and the other ranting, spitting alt-right media, is that controversy pays. It pays them. Big time. And that's all they are interested in.
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I have major objections with reasoned conservatism. But at least it is reasoned. It's not the insanity squared of today's GOP.
 
Trebuchet said:
I am, by natural inclination and upbringing, a liberal Republican. My parents were Republicans, my grandparents were Republicans, everyone I knew was Republican. My parents (and the church they took me to) taught me to respect other people, even if they weren't as white or as well off as we were. My parents were disappointed when Goldwater was nommed in 1964 but voted for him anyhow, because they were Republicans.
I'm a social liberal and fiscal conservative. I believe people should be treated equally, the poor should not suffer, and that the government should not spend more than it takes in. If that means the wealthiest one percent have to pay a bit more, so be it.
Perhaps I'm an Eisenhower Republican. The 1950's were a period in which great progress was made in Civil Rights, which were then supported by many Republicans and opposed by southern Democrates. It was the Eisenhower administration that nationalized the National Guard to integrate the schools of Little Rock. And Orville Faubus was a Democrat.
I never left the Republican Party, it left me. Today's GOP is not only racist and elitist, but fiscally irresponsible.
Many, probably most, Republicans are not nuts. What they are is uninformed and misinformed; and they've been Republicans all their lives and can't see how to change. And they are frightened. Frightened by change, frightened by people not exactly like them, and frightened by Fox News and its ilk. Intentionally so, in the latter case.
My late mother was a highly intelligent and well-educated woman. She was raised as a Republican, and raised me as one. She taught me to respect other people; took me to progressive church. But in her last years, she started watching Fox News, which caused her to ask me if Obama was really a Muslim (because Fox was Just Asking Questions) and that she and my father* were destitute because Fox kept telling her Obama had destroyed the stock market. It made me very sad.
Fortunately I was there one day when the mail arrived with a brokerage statement, so I showed her they had a million dollars in their account, and tried gently to explain that she shouldn't trust Fox. I think that helped.

*Dad had been out of it for several years at this point due to illness.
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There hasn't been a fiscally responsible Republican administration since Ford although President George H.W. Bush was semi fiscally responsible.
 
The GQP is pushing back against CRT. America has a Columbia House subscription to the bogeyman of the month. Who else is gonna save you?
 
I never left the Republican Party, it left me.
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My mom and dad said the same thing back in the 80's. Mom left the GOP first and Dad not long after.
The increasing radicalization of the GOP is a sad thing to behold. When a majority of GOP thinks that the election was rigged and stolen by a vast conspiracy of God knows what at this point, and a majority of them refuse to be vaccinated against a virus that has killed almost 610,000 people in the last year and a half and is on the rise again....what else can we think other than they've just become crazy cultists? It's just nuts. There comes a point when even semi-intelligent people should be able to see that no one is dying from the vaccine but they are from Covid...and 99% of them are unvaccinated. How much intelligence does it take to recognize that a 'stolen election' would have had to include the SC, federal courts, Trump appointed judges, Republican legislators, Republican governors, etc? How blind does someone have be not to see that Trump is a lying, narcissistic sociopath? Not even getting hit by a truck driven by a stark naked Trump screaming that bugs are crawling all over him could get through to some of these people.
 
Cain said:
"29% of Trump voters believe that the US government is using the Covid vaccine to inject microchips into the population. An additional 15% of Trump voters are “not sure.” (Economist/YouGov)"

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1417139756660580352

How could those stupid Trump voters be "not sure"??
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37.6% of all statistics on the internet are made up. The remaining 88% are utter crap.
 
Cain said:
"29% of Trump voters believe that the US government is using the Covid vaccine to inject microchips into the population. An additional 15% of Trump voters are “not sure.” (Economist/YouGov)"

https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/1417139756660580352

How could those stupid Trump voters be "not sure"??
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Probably to stop their heads from exploding. The Great One has posted praising his success in developing the vaccines and castigating Biden for not doing enough to get people vaccinated! See: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-clai...take-vaccine-due-mistrust-biden-admin-1610843

Talk about cognitive dissonance! :eek:
 
Warp12 said:
Seems legit. :rolleyes:
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Here's a news source discussing the poll. They state:

The survey, conducted by The Economist/YouGov and published this week, asked 1,500 Americans ages 18 and over if “the U.S. government is using the COVID-19 vaccine to microchip the population.” Five percent of respondents said the statement was “definitely true,” while 15 percent said the statement was “probably true.”

When broken down along party lines, the survey found that 32 percent of Republicans said it was “definitely” or “probably” true, while 14 percent of Democrats said it was “definitely” or “probably” true. Those without college degrees were also more likely to believe the microchip conspiracy, compared to those who have one.
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32% a little different than the 29% from the previous claim, but not in a way you'd like.

eta: the actual poll in question scroll to page 133. 9% of Reps say it's definitely true, 23% say probably true, and 13% are not sure.
 
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Stacyhs said:
There comes a point when even semi-intelligent people should be able to see that no one is dying from the vaccine but they are from Covid...and 99% of them are unvaccinated.
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And this is why we spent so many years arguing against conspiracy theories. When someone believes that everything in the news is fake, then there's no point in trying to use news reports to convince them of anything. The modern Republican party has embraced the conspiratorial mindset, and so any attempt at getting them to see reality founders on the rocks of "fake news".


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That middle one was a troll, by the way, not a supporter.
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But the really scary part is that Empty G and The Pedophile didn't realize he was a troll until he started calling him a pedophile. Up to that point, this is how they expected one of their own supports to look, and act.

So, as much as a troll as he is, he's also representative enough that it didn't upset their expectations.
 
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wareyin said:
Here's a news source discussing the poll. They state:



32% a little different than the 29% from the previous claim, but not in a way you'd like.

eta: the actual poll in question scroll to page 133. 9% of Reps say it's definitely true, 23% say probably true, and 13% are not sure.
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when broken down along party lines, the survey found that 32 percent of Republicans said it was “definitely” or “probably” true, while 14 percent of Democrats said it was “definitely” or “probably” true.
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The poll found that believers of the conspiracy theory tend to be white men without a college degree. Twenty percent of white men without a college degree said the theory was “probably true” compared to 17% of white women without a college degree, and 16% of all Black and Hispanic respondents.
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1 in 5 Americans believes microchips are hidden in COVID vaccines, poll finds
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https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article252883663.html

Just pick any old way to interpret the results, I say. Totally legit, trustworthy information.
 
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Warp12 said:
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article252883663.html

Just pick any old way to interpret the results, I say. Totally legit, trustworthy information.
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Is the following inaccurate ?

If so, how ?

wareyin said:
Here's a news source discussing the poll. They state:

32% a little different than the 29% from the previous claim, but not in a way you'd like.

eta: the actual poll in question scroll to page 133. 9% of Reps say it's definitely true, 23% say probably true, and 13% are not sure.
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The Don said:
Is the following inaccurate ?

If so, how ?
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Let's roll it back a little:

29% of Trump voters believe that the US government is using the Covid vaccine to inject microchips into the population. An additional 15% of Trump voters are “not sure.” (Economist/YouGov)"
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Now we are at:

9% of Reps say it's definitely true, 23% say probably true, and 13% are not sure.
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And, of course we must always trust internet-based polling, right?

I remember one time that polling was way off, but I'd have to go back to 2016, for that.

https://www.thewrap.com/every-poll-that-got-election-wrong-donald-trump/

But, hey, "belief" is where is anything can be true! Follow your heart!
 
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Warp12 said:
Let's roll it back a little:



Now we are at:



And, of course we must always trust internet-based polling, right?

I remember one time that polling was way off, but I'd have to go back to 2016, for that.

https://www.thewrap.com/every-poll-that-got-election-wrong-donald-trump/

But, hey, "belief" is where is anything can be true! Follow your heart!
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Yes, we started at 29% true and 15% not sure, then it got worse when the actual source showed it was 32% true and 13% not sure. It's a weird flex to show that things are actually worse than claimed for the Republican party.

As for polling being off, you're actually demonstrating that you and your source don't understand polling. 71.4% chance of winning is not an absolute lock. If I told you that something has a 1 in 4 chance of happening, and it happens, that doesn't mean I was wrong to say it's 75% likely to go the other way.
 
wareyin said:
Yes, we started at 29% true and 15% not sure, then it got worse when the actual source showed it was 32% true and 13% not sure. It's a weird flex to show that things are actually worse than claimed for the Republican party.

As for polling being off, you're actually demonstrating that you and your source don't understand polling. 71.4% chance of winning is not an absolute lock. If I told you that something has a 1 in 4 chance of happening, and it happens, that doesn't mean I was wrong to say it's 75% likely to go the other way.
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Yeah, 32% true is the same as 9% absolutely true. :rolleyes:

If the polling numbers are even an accurate reflection, that is, as stated. If you think the polls were close to accurate in 2016, I don't know what to tell you. That wasn't "a story" after the election, it was "the story".

Like I say to all, follow your heart!
 
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Warp12 said:
Yeah, 32% true is the same as 9% absolutely true. :rolleyes:

If the polling numbers are even an accurate reflection, that is, as stated. If you think the polls were close to accurate in 2016, I don't know what to tell you. That wasn't "a story" after the election, it was "the story".

Like I say to all, follow your heart!
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9 plus 23 equals? Is even math fake news now?

And the majority, if not the vast majority, of polls in 2016 were accurate within their stated margin of error. Sadly many people, like you, thought a 71-95% chance of something happening was a guarantee it would happen, and didn't even understand that a prediction based on poll numbers is not the same thing as a poll.
 
wareyin said:
9 plus 23 equals? Is even math fake news now?

And the majority, if not the vast majority, of polls in 2016 were accurate within their stated margin of error. Sadly many people, like you, thought a 71-95% chance of something happening was a guarantee it would happen, and didn't even understand that a prediction based on poll numbers is not the same thing as a poll.
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It's not a guarantee, of course. But, this single online poll somehow is. :rolleyes:
 
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