Gender-based stereotypes

Women's magazines are not based on what women want to read, they're based on what advertisers want to sell to women. Just look at the requirements only 'women's magazines' must obey for ads. Stories about certain subjects may not be placed next to certain ads, and over half the entire magazine is ads.
 
This reminds me of the ignorant thread about one DNC chairperson candidate, not a major candidate I might add, who said stupid things about being too white or whatever, and the thread becomes a alt-right forum jizz-fest laughing at said off the wall candidate.

Who even cares what is or is not on that web site? It doesn't have jack to do with anything other than a single slice of a POV.

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Yet, day after day, the only headlines I see in this section are the most incredibly superficial, vapid headlines which appear to me to concentrate everything feminists have been saying about gender-stereotyping for years.
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So don't read it. :rolleyes:
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Women's magazines are not based on what women want to read, they're based on what advertisers want to sell to women. Just look at the requirements only 'women's magazines' must obey for ads. Stories about certain subjects may not be placed next to certain ads, and over half the entire magazine is ads.
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Well then why don't women just refuse to buy these magazines? And buy something else that they actually want to read?
 
Puppycow said:
Well then why don't women just refuse to buy these magazines? And buy something else that they actually want to read?
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Maybe this is why this dichotomy is so frustrating. Some women want equality and for gender-based stereotypes to die so that young women are free to make their own choices without the usual gender-based cultural pressures to conform to a certain idea of femininity. At the same time, there is also a group of women who enjoy these magazines and will continue to buy them.
 
Octavo said:
Do you honestly believe those are equivalent levels of sexism or was that just snark? Interested in your opinion.
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I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to refer to sexism as having levels. There is no such thing as "mild" or "harmless" sexism. And it's the little offhand comments that we need to watch out for, because they can have a pervasive effect that is difficult to see because of how "mild" they appear. To fix the big problems sometimes you have to work from the bottom up.

One person referring to "the fairer sex" on an internet forum isn't going to do a great deal of direct damage, but millions of people referring to "the fairer sex" can and does have a negative effect on society and the attitude within it towards women.

Are you honestly comfortable with the fact that you are one of those millions of people?
 
arthwollipot said:
I don't think it's appropriate or necessary to refer to sexism as having levels. There is no such thing as "mild" or "harmless" sexism. And it's the little offhand comments that we need to watch out for, because they can have a pervasive effect that is difficult to see because of how "mild" they appear. To fix the big problems sometimes you have to work from the bottom up.

One person referring to "the fairer sex" on an internet forum isn't going to do a great deal of direct damage, but millions of people referring to "the fairer sex" can and does have a negative effect on society and the attitude within it towards women.

Are you honestly comfortable with the fact that you are one of those millions of people?
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I see the sense in your point. I wouldn't say "comfortable" now that you've put it that way, but as a deflection I will say that in my experience women tend to find such descriptions charming. In a casual or flirtatious conversation I would absolutely refer to the opposite sex as "fairer" simply because it appears to endear me to women in many cases...

See? Like I said - this whole issue confuses me, but I'm willing to be educated.
 
Silly Green Monkey said:
Women's magazines are not based on what women want to read, they're based on what advertisers want to sell to women. Just look at the requirements only 'women's magazines' must obey for ads. Stories about certain subjects may not be placed next to certain ads, and over half the entire magazine is ads.
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Thanks for putting that point. And to expand on it, if this section didn't perform I. E. Provide the require revenue/profit then I'm sure it would be changed very quickly. These types of sections are commercial decisions.
 
I'm sure that with enough social engineering, we can get men to read gossip and horoscopes and women to prefer fast cars and hot chicks.

It is even of great importance that we help people change their tastes in mindless entertainment. We should throw more money at it.

We could set up commissions to approve content. For instance a feminist panel to make sure video game characters are sufficiently plump and the conflicts in Modern Combat are resolved though dialogue.

And an MRA panel to vet women's erotica. So the next bestseller is not about a billionaire alpha-male having rapey sex, but rather about a somewhat overweight nerdy guy with creditcard debts who works at a callcenter and struggles with premature ejaculation.

Christ, I thought the Soviet Union was drab and boring.
 
Polaris said:
They are? My experience has been that if I want a home cooked meal I'm doing it myself. Perhaps I'm dating the wrong women.
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No, it's true - women love recipes. I bet if you asked her what she wanted you to make she'd find a recipe for you.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
This reminds me of the ignorant thread about one DNC chairperson candidate, not a major candidate I might add, who said stupid things about being too white or whatever, and the thread becomes a alt-right forum jizz-fest laughing at said off the wall candidate.

Who even cares what is or is not on that web site? It doesn't have jack to do with anything other than a single slice of a POV.

From the OP:
So don't read it. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, but I have to read it to figure out it's not something I wanted to read.
 
Octavo said:
Maybe this is why this dichotomy is so frustrating. Some women want equality and for gender-based stereotypes to die so that young women are free to make their own choices without the usual gender-based cultural pressures to conform to a certain idea of femininity. At the same time, there is also a group of women who enjoy these magazines and will continue to buy them.
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Aren't we just busy replacing one set of stereotypes with another? The 1950s woman is out, the 1980s woman had her day, and now it's on to the new millennial woman - whatever that turns out to be.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm sure that women exist who do find the phrase endearing. In my opinion, they're part of the problem.
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Some women just don't know how be to be true women! Someone needs to tell them.

Women are different than men. This is a good thing.

Underneath all of our civil behavior lies the same beast that hunted, fought and gathered in years past. Men are men, women are women, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. You might call it a perfect combination.

So as much as we try and perceive ourselves as civilized and well mannered, we are primarily there because of rules and laws that the more sensible among us have agreed upon. We are "smart" apes.

We tell each other that men and women should be the same, but they are not. And if you don't fall in line and think this way, you're a bad person.

I'm glad women are women, and I know women who are too. Some like to look pretty, some don't wear makeup, some are "girly" some are not. I've had women for bosses, teachers, my doctor is a woman. One fights MMA. Even my own mother is a woman!

Anyways, it's just something I think about - in a lot of ways, we have unrealistic expectations as to how people should behave, which is why the "politically correct" thing can be a bad thing.

The more you pigeon-hole and restrict people, the more they will resist. Then the finger-pointing begins.

<looks up> sorry was someone talking to me? What were we talking about? ;)
 
mgidm86 said:
Some women just don't know how be to be true women! Someone needs to tell them.

Women are different than men. This is a good thing.

Underneath all of our civil behavior lies the same beast that hunted, fought and gathered in years past. Men are men, women are women, each with their own strengths and weaknesses. You might call it a perfect combination.

So as much as we try and perceive ourselves as civilized and well mannered, we are primarily there because of rules and laws that the more sensible among us have agreed upon. We are "smart" apes.

We tell each other that men and women should be the same, but they are not. And if you don't fall in line and think this way, you're a bad person.

I'm glad women are women, and I know women who are too. Some like to look pretty, some don't wear makeup, some are "girly" some are not. I've had women for bosses, teachers, my doctor is a woman. One fights MMA. Even my own mother is a woman!

Anyways, it's just something I think about - in a lot of ways, we have unrealistic expectations as to how people should behave, which is why the "politically correct" thing can be a bad thing.

The more you pigeon-hole and restrict people, the more they will resist. Then the finger-pointing begins.

<looks up> sorry was someone talking to me? What were we talking about? ;)
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Want to explain how this is even remotely a response to what I said? Or did you just feel like ranting?
 
marplots said:
Aren't we just busy replacing one set of stereotypes with another? The 1950s woman is out, the 1980s woman had her day, and now it's on to the new millennial woman - whatever that turns out to be.
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It certainly seems that way to me... :(
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm sure that women exist who do find the phrase endearing. In my opinion, they're part of the problem.
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Yeah they just need a male to tell them what words they should find sexist. :rolleyes:

Seriously you didn't think that one through did you? It comes off as way more sexist than calling women 'the fairer sex'
 
marplots said:
No, it's true - women love recipes. I bet if you asked her what she wanted you to make she'd find a recipe for you.
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As a matter of fact, that did happen with the last one. (I wasn't the only one eating my home cooked meals). Unfortunately what she wanted was Spam casserole. I chose the menus after that.
 
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