Galloway is back

[Toontown]

No, you fail again. He was a joke figure who made some silly comments to Saddam. The US gave him legitimacy in many eyes by allowing him a platform outside the fringes of the UK.

I am not an America hater and have no idea what Amerikka is.

Right. You had him under control (as a joke figure) until some stupid Americans asked him some questions, thereby stirring the passions of Amerikkka-haters everywhere and bringing about the fall of the entire house of Galloway-controlling cards.

Thank you (again) for your timely service as poster-boy for the phenomenon to which I alluded.

Clearly, we stupid Americans must learn not to ask any suspect foreign politikers any questions, lest we disturb the sound of silence and the hornet's nest of anti-American passion. Which might prompt funk de fino to fan the flames of their passion even more with inevitable comments about the blameworthiness of the stupid Americans.

 

[WildCat]

He is a horrible odious man from my birth place. The stupid uppity Yanks gave him one of the biggest platforms he could ever have dreamed of and he spanked them.

You helped create him.

If people from your birthplace are impressed by his stupid rhetorical tricks it says much more about your people than it does about Americans.

George Galloway, the pride of Scotland!

 

[WildCat]

The only Galloway poster boys are those who constantly give him what he wants. Publicity and column inches.

We tend to ignore him as much as possible and laugh. A bit like the Westboro baptists, they thrive on hate, the same as he does.

Odd, nobody elected any of the Westboro Baptists to any public office whatsoever, let alone to Congress, and they are universally despised here.

You Brits elected Galloway to Parliament several times now... and you think this reflects badly on the USA?

 

[trustbutverify]

I hate the man with a passion

Me too, but I have to admit- the man knows how to bring home the bacon.

 

[epepke]

I'd never even heard of the guy until this thread. Did he really make much of a splash in the US? Just curious.

No.

 

[Bad Lieutenant]

Communists are as bad as Nazis.

WTF. There should be a law against comparing Nazism to an economic theory.

 

[Giz]

WTF. There should be a law against comparing Nazism to an economic theory.

Regimes claiming to be communist have killed far more people than Fascist regimes.

At what point do people give up on a theory that has been an unmitigated disaster when applied to the real world?

 

[Craig B]

Regimes claiming to be communist have killed far more people than Fascist regimes.

At what point do people give up on a theory that has been an unmitigated disaster when applied to the real world?

However that may be, Galloway is not a communist, so the point is irrelevant to the subject of this thread. Saddam was not a communist. Neither was he an Islamicist. He was a secular tyrant. When the US found it expedient to do so, the US helped him.

 

[Toontown]

Galloway is capable of building support by appealing to disaffected voters through demagogy of various sorts. US posters can assure me, if they have a right to do so, that no such politicians are ever elected in their country. If so, they are lucky.

Offhand, I can think of a couple of districts which have elected some people of roughly Galloway's calibre. However, we are not in the habit of blaming Brits for our voters' misdeeds.

One of the conditions that has permitted him to be elected as an MP is the extent of the unpopularity of the intervention in Iraq. I can't remember anything which has occasioned such indignation in the UK.

Other than finding it strange that such indignation would be aroused by the overthrow of a brutish family which had seized control of a fourth of Earth's proven oil reserves, had attempted to seize even more, and was generally destabilizing the critical region after having slaughtered millions by various excruciating means including mass chemical attacks...

...I find your complaint to be entirely a personal problem on the part of those professional indignants you mention. And, while it is easy to see how such indignants would be easily swayed by the wiles of a Galloway, I continue to insist that Brits must themselves take full responsibility for their voting behavior - embarrassing though it may be. They will learn nothing by the habitual resort to scapegoats.

It has discredited everyone involved in promoting it. Galloway, of course, opposed it, and he has gained undue credence on that account. But those who know him best, in his native Scotland, are not the ones who most recently voted for him.

Well, that's great...I suppose.

However, it was funk de fino who did recently blame Americans for the doltish behavior of British voters, thereby giving this particular conversation it's ill-conceived genesis. I'm afraid that is simply ridiculous, no matter how prettily you package it up. When people start taking us to task for failing to correctly analyze and mute our actions to avoid affecting the behavior of their own local dolts, then I think that perhaps your search for suitable subjects for your mental disorder campaign might have ended much closer to home.

 

[squealpiggy]

Yet he managed to make a fool of the clowns in the USA. Don't say much for them. Shown up by the circus clown of British politics.

British politics is an angry and anarchic mess. It always has been. Throw any British parliamentarian into the more serene US senate and he'll play them like a drum because of the circus-like nature of the way we do things.

 

[Craig B]

Other than finding it strange that such indignation would be aroused by the overthrow of a brutish family which had seized control of a fourth of Earth's proven oil reserves, had attempted to seize even more, and was generally destabilizing the critical region after having slaughtered millions by various excruciating means including mass chemical attacks...

These were not the war aims adduced by Bush and Blair. Indeed they were specifically and unambiguously denied. At the time of the gas attacks on the Kurds, or deployment of chemical warfare against Iran, to which I take it you refer, Saddam enjoyed the favour of the West.

I think that perhaps your search for suitable subjects for your mental disorder campaign might have ended much closer to home.

No need. I have found ample material for my meditations on this subject already.

 

[Toontown]

These were not the war aims adduced by Bush and Blair. Indeed they were specifically and unambiguously denied. At the time of the gas attacks on the Kurds, or deployment of chemical warfare against Iran, to which I take it you refer, Saddam enjoyed the favour of the West. No need. I have found ample material for my meditations on this subject already.

What war aims? I listed no war aims. I simply encapsulated the nature of the regime, and alluded to the sheer stupidity of allowing such a regime control over the region and it's critical oil.

Of course it was the general nature of the regime which ultimately led to the invasion. The "war aim" at the point of the invasion was simply to eliminate the regime - much to the "indignation" of your local loon population, apparently. The official reasons for overthrowing the regime are listed in UNSCR 1441, along with the long standing authorization to use force:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/dec/20/iraq.foreignpolicy2

Your dodge aside, I continue to find it strange that unprecedented indignation would be aroused by the overthrow of a brutish family which had seized control of a fourth of Earth's proven oil reserves, had attempted to seize even more, had repeatedly defied the terms of the UN cease-fire agreement which had initially saved the regime's sorry ass, was in "material breach" of numerous other resolutions, and was generally destabilizing the critical region, after having slaughtered millions by various excruciating means including mass chemical attacks.

Strange, bordering on nuts. But what do I know. All I have is history and a plethora of UN resolutions backing me up. And everybody knows all those Security Council people are a bunch of loons. Who knows how they got where they are.

No need. I have found ample material for my meditations on this subject already.

OTC, you are ignoring the ample material you have right there at hand. I refer you to your own assessment of the mentality of your local loon population. You don't need to come searching all the way over here. You can study some of the wierdest loons on earth, all day long, right there in your local pub. Perhaps the local loons might have more to do with the economic and political basket case your region has become, than the presumptive loons way over here, that you're all so eager to point your plastic fingers at.

 

[Craig B]

... Strange, bordering on nuts. But what do I know. All I have is history and a plethora of UN resolutions backing me up. And everybody knows all those Security Council people are a bunch of loons. Who knows how they got where they are ... I refer you to your own assessment of the mentality of your local loon population. You don't need to come searching all the way over here. You can study some of the wierdest loons on earth, all day long, right there in your local pub. Perhaps the local loons might have more to do with the economic and political basket case your region has become, than the presumptive loons way over here, that you're all so eager to point your plastic fingers at.

Thank you for this. Imperialism has this effect on people. Only we are right. The rest of the world is mad. They are incapable of running their own affairs. Only we can rule. Project for a new American Century ... And so on.

Well, anyway, you got Tony Blair. You bought him fair and square. And you can keep him. Us loons don't want him back.

 

[zooterkin]

To return to the actual topic of this thread, George Galloway is opposing the 3p fuel duty rise. He's clearly thought to be the most newsworthy part of the story, since although he only gets a mention in passing, in a Scottish newspaper in a story about an SNP amendment, it's his picture at the top of the page.

 

[Craig B]

To return to the actual topic of this thread, George Galloway is opposing the 3p fuel duty rise. He's clearly thought to be the most newsworthy part of the story, since although he only gets a mention in passing, in a Scottish newspaper in a story about an SNP amendment, it's his picture at the top of the page.

The Scotsman has a political agenda. See for example http://www.newsnetscotland.com/inde...ine-as-qinexplicableq-amazon-attacks-continue To see a picture of a grinning Galloway illustrating a story about an amendment supported by the SNP will come as no surprise to the Scotsman's increasingly sparse readership.

 

[trustbutverify]

Thank you for this. Imperialism has this effect on people. Only we are right. The rest of the world is mad. They are incapable of running their own affairs. Only we can rule. Project for a new American Century ... And so on.

If only THEGREATSATAN would disappear. What a wonderful world it would be.

 

[Craig B]

If only THEGREATSATAN would disappear. What a wonderful world it would be.

Perhaps the Great Satan could mend his ways, so that his acolytes might no longer regard the rest of the world as a wasteland populated by loons.

 

[JihadJane]

Perhaps the Great Satan could mend his ways, so that his acolytes might no longer regard the rest of the world as a wasteland populated by loons.

 

[trustbutverify]

Perhaps the Great Satan could mend his ways, so that his acolytes might no longer regard the rest of the world as a wasteland populated by loons.

If THEGREATSATAN no longer existed you wouldn't have to worry about the attitudes of her acolytes. There would be no obstruction preventing peace and prosperity on Earth.

Well, except for the Jews of course. But I have a feeling that problem would soon be solved.

 

[Craig B]

If THEGREATSATAN no longer existed you wouldn't have to worry about the attitudes of her acolytes. There would be no obstruction preventing peace and prosperity on Earth.

Well, except for the Jews of course. But I have a feeling that problem would soon be solved.

May I refer you to my posts #545, denouncing Stalin as a murderer of millions, and #550, stating that Soviet crimes exceeded that of all the fascists except Hitler, because

While Hitler killed fewer German citizens than Stalin killed Soviet citizens, Hitler's aggressive wars against other peoples were exceptionally murderous, and the scale, nature and obsessive meticulousness of Hitler's attempted total elimination of the Jews are quite without parallel.

Having read these things, you will I hope be kind enough to tell me what your last post means.