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Gable Tostee

...this is what I believed sealed it:

The jury — six men and six women — also asked if Tostee putting Ms Wright on his balcony constituted removing her from his property.
Justice Byrne’s reply was brief.
“Yes,” he answered.
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http://www.news.com.au/national/que...y/news-story/e5d80892f80ccff0a480d8e6127ded9e

Based on that direction: I probably would have voted not guilty as well. From the definitions of murder provided earlier in the thread: putting her on the balcony would have had to have been called a "detention" and not "removal" for murder to have applied. The prosecution really didn't make a case for detention at all: which is baffling to me. If the judge had answered "no" then the entire case might have turned on its head.
 
banquetbear said:
...this is what I believed sealed it:



http://www.news.com.au/national/que...y/news-story/e5d80892f80ccff0a480d8e6127ded9e

Based on that direction: I probably would have voted not guilty as well. From the definitions of murder provided earlier in the thread: putting her on the balcony would have had to have been called a "detention" and not "removal" for murder to have applied. The prosecution really didn't make a case for detention at all: which is baffling to me. If the judge had answered "no" then the entire case might have turned on its head.
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Disagree.

Maybe kidnapping.

But still not murder or manslaughter
 
banquetbear said:
...this is what I believed sealed it:



http://www.news.com.au/national/que...y/news-story/e5d80892f80ccff0a480d8e6127ded9e

Based on that direction: I probably would have voted not guilty as well. From the definitions of murder provided earlier in the thread: putting her on the balcony would have had to have been called a "detention" and not "removal" for murder to have applied. The prosecution really didn't make a case for detention at all: which is baffling to me. If the judge had answered "no" then the entire case might have turned on its head.
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Probably the sequence of events made it hard for them to argue detention - she threw the rocks and hit him with the telescope, and the immediate outcome was being put on the balcony. If he had the intent of detention, he could have done that at any time.
 
cullennz said:
Disagree.

Maybe kidnapping.

But still not murder or manslaughter
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...I suggest you look at the law that was posted earlier in the thread.

(b) if death is caused by means of an act done in the prosecution of an unlawful purpose, which act is of such a nature as to be likely to endanger human life;
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"Detaining her outside" would have been unlawful: and her death a consequence of that detention. But the judge directed that it was not an illegal detention but a removal: and in Australia law you are allowed to remove someone from your premises. Which meant essentially the prosecution had no case.

Hard Cheese said:
Probably the sequence of events made it hard for them to argue detention - she threw the rocks and hit him with the telescope, and the immediate outcome was being put on the balcony. If he had the intent of detention, he could have done that at any time.
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Indeed. But if they didn't make the case for detention then there was no possibility they could have won the case. Which of course, is what happened. I suspect they just hoped the jury wouldn't ask that question.
 
I think we all need a reality check.
We are all highly intelligent here, IQ EQ you name it, surplus to burn. It is natural we will judge Gable by our own flawless intuitive model.
 
Samson said:
I think we all need a reality check.
We are all highly intelligent here, IQ EQ you name it, surplus to burn. It is natural we will judge Gable by our own flawless intuitive model.
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What does this even mean? What a ridiculous post.
 
lionking said:
What does this even mean? What a ridiculous post.
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It means I have a relative with the same aspergers disorder so I see that there is little in Tostee's history to show he should not be accommodated by a forgiving state.
 
Samson said:
It means I have a relative with the same aspergers disorder so I see that there is little in Tostee's history to show he should not be accommodated by a forgiving state.
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...under supervision I would think might be a good idea
 
I hope we can all move on. I hope Tostee can get married and have some kids. I hope Wareina's family can digest what really happened and forgive.

Everybody should take a serious look at the the filth that passes as the western media today.
 
gareththomasnz said:
I hope we can all move on. I hope Tostee can get married and have some kids. I hope Wareina's family can digest what really happened and forgive.

Everybody should take a serious look at the the filth that passes as the western media today.
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Hopefully Gable uses his freedom to contribute positively to the world and I dont have to hear about him anymore.

I still think he should have been charged with unlawful detention and I disagree with the Judges direction that putting her on the balcony was removing her from the premisis. He needs to make up for his arrogance.

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gareththomasnz said:
I hope we can all move on. I hope Tostee can get married and have some kids. I hope Wareina's family can digest what really happened and forgive.

Everybody should take a serious look at the the filth that passes as the western media today.
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We will have to agree to disagree as I hope he never reproduces. I do hope Wareina's family is able to heal and move on.
 
gareththomasnz said:
I hope we can all move on. I hope Tostee can get married and have some kids.
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That's you.

Given Tostee's proven actions both before and after the balcony death, I'd lay good odds that most people would like him to jump off the same balcony.

gareththomasnz said:
I hope Wareina's family can digest what really happened and forgive.
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How sweet - you hope they can forgive your POS pal.

gareththomasnz said:
Everybody should take a serious look at the the filth that passes as the western media today.
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Sure. Much better that than taking a serious look at the criminal and immoral behaviour of a narcissistic, amoral scumbag.
 
First time posting in this thread.

First of all, Tostee is responsible for the victim's death. It wasn't an unfortunate accident caused by alcohol or the victims fault.

It doesn't matter what her behaviour had been, it is irrelevant.

Tostee physically forced her into an unsafe environment. He then refused to release her. He then left her to fend for herself. His actions, behaviour and previous words could easily put the victim in fear for her life and very probably did. She died purely as a result of his illegal actions.

The much quoted relevant local law seems to require his prosecution for murder rather than manslaughter. This is not prosecutorial overreach.

On the facts of the case and the relevant law, it seems clear to me that he should have been found guilty.

Purely from the posts in this thread I am an inclined to think that the judge's instructions to the jury were the reason he was acquitted. I would be very interested in hearing an Australian legal experts' opinion on those instructions.

That Tostee will escape any penalty for causing a woman's death is a miscarriage of justice rather than a cause to celebrate.
 
Well folks he is an innocent man so much of what you have to say is slander parroted from the media.

Also this forum is the only one largely negative of Tostee.

There are several online now and all of the others were largely in agreement that he is not guilty.

I am moving on. I spoke my mind here at the relevant time. I dont want to read any more nonsense.

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I wont be back to this forum.

Have a nice day :)
 
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gareththomasnz said:
Well folks he is an innocent man so much of what you have to say is slander parroted from the media.

Also this forum is the only one largely negative of Tostee.

There are several online now and all of the others were largely in agreement that he is not guilty.

I am moving on. I spoke my mind here at the relevant time. I dont want to read any more nonsense.

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Removed breach of rule 0


I wont be back to this forum.

Have a nice day :)
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Bye. Hope he learns humility and realises that his actions on the night were dumb and scummy.
 
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gareththomasnz said:
Also this forum is the only one largely negative of Tostee.

There are several online now and all of the others were largely in agreement that he is not guilty.
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If you say it three times with your eyes closed, it might even come true!

gareththomasnz said:
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I wont be back to this forum.

Have a nice day
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Such a loss to this community. Oh, well. We shall soldier on.
 
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