Gable Tostee

[Samson]

At last details emerge

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11726687

An explosive audio recording played in court that captured Warriena Wright's final hours in Gable Tostee's Gold Coast apartment has revealed the New Zealander was drunk, at times incomprehensible and repeatedly violent towards the man charged with her murder.

"I've met some weird people on Tinder," the 30-year-old murder accused is heard to say, as the drunk Wright apparently swings in and out of violent episodes towards him.

And

At one point, she accuses him of stealing her phone.

"Where's my ******* ****? My ******* data," she says.

Asked what it looks like, she yells, "it looks like a ******* iPhone".

Wright insists on leaving, but Tostee tries to stop her.

"I didn't say you have to leave, I just said stop beating me up," he said.

She asks him again where her things are.

"I will ******* destroy your jaw. It's not ******* funny," she says.

"Look, that's your stuff right there," he replies.

"Get it for me. Get it for me. Get it for me," she yells.

"I'm calling the police, get it for me. Get it for me now.

Then he locks her on the balcony, she tries to climb down, and falls.

How is this anything like murder when he figures a way to get her sober rather than have her cause him unknowable grief with the police?
And why would a jury be entitled to determine it?

 

[Metullus]

Well, he did hold her against her will. And he locked her on the balcony. Sounds like kidnapping to me.

 

[Samson]

Well, he did hold her against her will. And he locked her on the balcony. Sounds like kidnapping to me.

I am trying to see it in the context of woman accuses man of theft and other things to police, versus a pragmatic decision to give her "safe" time out. Men are vulnerable when women cause trouble and vice versa. Keeping the police at bay is a good option. This is clearly not murder so why are the police pulling this stunt? It is something quite different, and we can all form an opinion as the case unfolds, but with the recording we have an excellent resource for plying our wisdom.

 

[theprestige]

Seems like exactly the sort of thing that you'd want a jury to decide.

 

[Metullus]

Seems like exactly the sort of thing that you'd want a jury to decide.

This.

 

[Samson]

Seems like exactly the sort of thing that you'd want a jury to decide.

What would you decide on the available evidence?

 

[Metullus]

I am trying to see it in the context of woman accuses man of theft and other things to police, versus a pragmatic decision to give her "safe" time out.

What gives any man the right to put an adult woman in "time out"? Would it make any difference to you if he locked her in a closet "for her own good" rather than on a balcony?

Men are vulnerable when women cause trouble and vice versa. Keeping the police at bay is a good option.

IMHO, holding a woman against her will is not likely to be considered a good option.

This is clearly not murder so why are the police pulling this stunt? It is something quite different, and we can all form an opinion as the case unfolds, but with the recording we have an excellent resource for plying our wisdom.

Would she have attempted to escape from the locked balcony if she was not, in fact, locked on the balcony against her will? Would she have fallen to her death if he had not locked her on the balcony against her will? Is it unreasonable or even unforeseeable for a person, who is being held against their will, to attempt to escape?

I do not know if it rises to 1st degree murder, but it does not seem unreasonable to me to hold him responsible.

 

[Samson]

What gives any man the right to put an adult woman in "time out"? Would it make any difference to you if he locked her in a closet "for her own good" rather than on a balcony?IMHO, holding a woman against her will is not likely to be considered a good option. Would she have attempted to escape from the locked balcony if she was not, in fact, locked on the balcony against her will? Would she have fallen to her death if he had not locked her on the balcony against her will? Is it unreasonable or even unforeseeable for a person, who is being held against their will, to attempt to escape?

I do not know if it rises to 1st degree murder, but it does not seem unreasonable to me to hold him responsible.

Clearly, with drunk and violent people of either gender a chaotic outcome is likely. For men, the challenge is to be sure they would not lock a woman outside to sober up as an option before leaping to conclusions. This woman was violent and drunk remember, and falling or leaping from balconies is an incredibly rare event. It is meant to be difficult.

 

[Giordano]

At last details emerge

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11726687

An explosive audio recording played in court that captured Warriena Wright's final hours in Gable Tostee's Gold Coast apartment has revealed the New Zealander was drunk, at times incomprehensible and repeatedly violent towards the man charged with her murder.

"I've met some weird people on Tinder," the 30-year-old murder accused is heard to say, as the drunk Wright apparently swings in and out of violent episodes towards him.

And

At one point, she accuses him of stealing her phone.

"Where's my ******* ****? My ******* data," she says.

Asked what it looks like, she yells, "it looks like a ******* iPhone".

Wright insists on leaving, but Tostee tries to stop her.

"I didn't say you have to leave, I just said stop beating me up," he said.

She asks him again where her things are.

"I will ******* destroy your jaw. It's not ******* funny," she says.

"Look, that's your stuff right there," he replies.

"Get it for me. Get it for me. Get it for me," she yells.

"I'm calling the police, get it for me. Get it for me now.

Then he locks her on the balcony, she tries to climb down, and falls.

How is this anything like murder when he figures a way to get her sober rather than have her cause him unknowable grief with the police?
And why would a jury be entitled to determine it?

Locking her up so she can't leave? In part so she doesn't report him to the police? It sure sounds like kidnapping to me. And locking a crazy drunk on a balcony? How stupid and dangerous; she could tumble off or get it in her head to climb down: which she did, right?

A jury certainly should hear the details and decide.

 

[Samson]

Locking her up so she can't leave? In part so she doesn't report him to the police? It sure sounds like kidnapping to me. And locking a crazy drunk on a balcony? How stupid and dangerous; she could tumble off or get it in her head to climb down: which she did, right?

A jury certainly should hear the details and decide.

Maybe. My concern would be overstating the likelihood she would try to climb down. I see that as extremely unlikely, and a terrible outcome for both.

ETA no mention of a jury, must be judge only.

 

[Hungry81]

He just should have let her go. There was no reason for him to lock her out on the balcony as opposed to the front door. Unlawful detention vs a complaint to police that gets dismissed as soon as he shows them his recording. Based solely on this single piece of evidence, I think he will be found not guilty of murder, but hopefully he has also been charged also with unlawful detention or depridation of liberty.

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[Shiner]

Maybe. My concern would be overstating the likelihood she would try to climb down. I see that as extremely unlikely, and a terrible outcome for both.
ETA no mention of a jury, must be judge only.

This headline suggests a jury.

Gable Tostee murder trial: Jury hears last chilling moments of Warriena Wright’s life

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/nat...e/news-story/264303a7fcdb3eda1c7bdfca468a6308

“Hello Dad, I might have a bit of a situation,” he says.

After explaining what happened, he goes on, “She kept beating me up and whatever and, um, I locked her out on the balcony and I think she might have jumped off.

“There’s a million cops around my building, I’m f***ed.

“I don’t know what to do.

“I didn’t cause this, I didn’t push her or anything.

“I’m just walking around the area and there’s a million cops around the area.”

This one too.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-...iena-wright-final-moments-alive-heard/7921418

 

[Giordano]

Maybe. My concern would be overstating the likelihood she would try to climb down. I see that as extremely unlikely, and a terrible outcome for both.

ETA no mention of a jury, must be judge only.

I see it as fairly likely for a very drunk person- they do all sorts of dangerous, not well thought out actions. Enogh to sustain video tv shows and YouTube. Most people, I think, would consider a balcony as very risky in this light. Equivalent to locking a little kid unsupervised in the same place.

Sorry but I have no sympathy for the accused. He locked her to prevent her from leaving and filing a place report against him. She died trying to escape what was very much a kidnapping. He is in big trouble, and I think he should be if the reports are correct.

 

[banquetbear]

What would you decide on the available evidence?

...calm down dude. The trial has just started. The "available evidence" consists of a couple of news reports and a few transcripts from three hours of recording. No need to decide "guilt" or "innocence" right now.

Although this:

"No, no, no, no, no. I want to go home. Just let me go home," she is heard saying on the audio.

"I would, but you've been a bad girl," he replies.

...

"You're not going to collect any belongings. I'll slam the door on you. You're not going to pull anything or I'll knock you the f*** out."

A muffled scuffle ensues between the pair, in which Wright repeatedly cries, "no, no, no no" and "I want to go home. Just let me go home."

The noise is silenced by the sound of a sliding door, which fits with the Crown's contention that Tostee locked her on his 14th floor balcony.

Doesn't look good for him at all.

 

[Samson]

...calm down dude. The trial has just started. The "available evidence" consists of a couple of news reports and a few transcripts from three hours of recording. No need to decide "guilt" or "innocence" right now.

Although this:



Doesn't look good for him at all.

A charge of murder never looks good.
It reminds me of Oscar Pistorius. Drink replaces paranoia and society can hate forever. If he held her against her will that is kidnapping, and the charge should be solely that, not murder.

Let's see if this is a first criminal offence, it will all come out no doubt. Unfortunately she looks like TROUBLE. That should also become apparent either way.

 

[banquetbear]

A charge of murder never looks good.

...of course not. I must add that too my "to do list": don't murder anyone today.

It reminds me of Oscar Pistorius. Drink replaces paranoia and society can hate forever.

This isn't like Oscar Pistorius at all. Based on what we know: are you blaming Wright for Tostee's decision to lock her on the balcony instead of getting her to leave?

If he held her against her will that is kidnapping, and the charge should be solely that, not murder.

And you are an expert on the Australian criminal code now? How about you wait a few days until we hear the rest of the evidence?

Let's see if this is a first criminal offence, it will all come out no doubt.

Not relevant at all.

Unfortunately she looks like TROUBLE.

Unfortunately she is also dead. So trouble or not, that is of no consequence.

 

[Shiner]

Let's see if this is a first criminal offence.........

His previous record is well documented. As is his Christian name, which you have spelled incorrectly in the thread title.

Tostee served approx 6 months last year for a drunken high speed police chase, just 3 weeks before the balcony incident.

This article is about his release.

http://www.wsfm.com.au/newsroom/accused-balcony-killer-gable-tostee-freed-from-prison

The chase happened just three weeks before Warriena Tagpuno Wright fell to her death from the 14th floor of his apartment.

He pleaded guilty to speeding and being involved in a police pursuit that reached speeds of almost 200km/h and ended with sparks flying from Tostee's tyre rims when police threw spikes onto the road in a bid to stop him.

Tostee has requested his parole application to be transferred from NSW to Queensland but it is yet to be approved.

He also has counterfeiting charges from 2004. I believe he was still in high school. The only link I can find to a news source (Daily Telegraph) is dead.

It's only 2 years old. I assume it's inadmissible and suppressed.

Audio recordings at below link. Also a twitter feed from court reporters today.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/3a4473e26fce6c05d90ec0a2ac614e44

ETA. I see his name spelled both ways in news articles. I take back my comment for now. The defendant changed his name by deed poll last year to Eric Thomas. So there's 3.

 

[quadraginta]

A charge of murder never looks good.
It reminds me of Oscar Pistorius. Drink replaces paranoia and society can hate forever. If he held her against her will that is kidnapping, and the charge should be solely that, not murder.

Let's see if this is a first criminal offence, it will all come out no doubt. Unfortunately she looks like TROUBLE. That should also become apparent either way.

Do they have the equivalent of Felony Murder statutes in that jurisdiction.

Because if someone dies in the course of a kidnapping here (a felony which qualifies for felony murder consideration in most states, I think), then murder could very easily be on the table.

It doesn't even have to be the victim, or a bystander. It can even be one of the perps (if there's more than one).

 

[Samson]

His previous record is well documented. As is his Christian name, which you have spelled incorrectly in the thread title.

Tostee served approx 6 months last year for a drunken high speed police chase, just 3 weeks before the balcony incident.

This article is about his release.

http://www.wsfm.com.au/newsroom/accused-balcony-killer-gable-tostee-freed-from-prison



He also has counterfeiting charges from 2004. I believe he was still in high school. The only link I can find to a news source (Daily Telegraph) is dead.

It's only 2 years old. I assume it's inadmissible and suppressed.

Audio recordings at below link. Also a twitter feed from court reporters today.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...t/news-story/3a4473e26fce6c05d90ec0a2ac614e44

ETA. I see his name spelled both ways in news articles. I take back my comment for now. The defendant changed his name by deed poll last year to Eric Thomas. So there's 3.

The audio sounds grim, but at least it is evidence that isn't contaminated with conjecture.

 

[The Atheist]

Shiner - you're obviously keeping up with this case: is Tostee charged with alternate crimes, eg manslaughter &/or kidnapping, or have the cops just gone for broke hoping the murder sticks?