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Future Hardfire Episodes?

anticonspiracy911

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This is a question to Ronald Weick. Have you proposed a Hardfire show idea of having Mark Roberts debate Alex Jones? Now I know Alex Jones and debate are incompatible, but I just want to see Alex's head explode after you ask him a 'thought' question. :D But seriously have you considered getting Alex Jones on Hardfire to debate Mark? Thanks.
 
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By "debate" you mean "dress in a lab coat and chase him around the studio with a stun gun and a net," right?

Also, Jones is in Austin and doesn't make it to NYC often.

Also, Jones would never in a million years do it. He's said far too many crazy things about 9/11. Not sure how many people take him seriously.
 
Debating Alex Jones would be like debating Jim Fetzer and an orangutan- with neither Jim Fetzer or the orangutan being there.
 
anticonspiracy911 said:
This is a question to Ronald Weick. Have you proposed a Hardfire show idea of having Mark Roberts debate Alex Jones? Now I know Alex Jones and debate are incompatible, but I just want to see Alex's head explode after you ask him a 'thought' question. :D But seriously have you considered getting Alex Jones on Hardfire to debate Mark? Thanks.
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Honestly, I think it will be nearly impossible to persuade any prominent twoofer to appear on 'Hardfire.' Initially, these guys viewed the show as an attractive platform for advertising their wares. After getting exposed as charlatans and know-nothings in debates with Mark, they have concluded--correctly--that there are easier ways to hustle the rubes.

Jones wouldn't dream of entering any arena where he wasn't in complete control of the proceedings.
 
I agree - Alex Jones seems afraid of logical debate. I posted a short video on YouTube on his debate style, where he changes the subject when Mark asks him about WTC7 and then eventually declares victory and walks away - while never once making a logical point. Repetition is his form of debate.

What about Sophia Shafquat, Steven Jones, or any of the other truth leaders? Even just taking calls from conspiracy folks is cool. There's an idea - if some of these leaders don't like in NYC, maybe you could bring them in over the phone line.
 
If you ever do get a leading truther on the show, in addition to a debunker, try to get some first responders, firsthand witnesses, or structural engineers there that could call them directly on their BS by saying "I was there, you are wrong" or "I am qualified and have run the studies myself, you are wrong." I think even if it didn't sink into the truther's head, anyone watching such an exchange would realize that this isn't just two people disagreeing, it's one person who doesn't know anything at all and who wasn't there against an expert or a person who was there and who knows what they're talking about. This kind of exchange, I think, would be much more powerful. Having the debunker there would be important though since it would help corral the truther's scatterbrained debate and help them stay focused on what the first responders and experts are trying to pound into their heads.

It's really about revealing the truth movement to the fence sitters, not converting truthers - which is close to impossible - though I've converted a few truthers, but only face to face - never on a forum. My 2¢.
 
I think that any of the Truther Leadership who is sane enough to be worth having is also sane enough to realise that their claims won't stand up under fire.
 
RKOwens4 said:
I agree - Alex Jones seems afraid of logical debate. I posted a short video on YouTube on his debate style, where he changes the subject when Mark asks him about WTC7 and then eventually declares victory and walks away - while never once making a logical point. Repetition is his form of debate.

What about Sophia Shafquat, Steven Jones, or any of the other truth leaders? Even just taking calls from conspiracy folks is cool. There's an idea - if some of these leaders don't like in NYC, maybe you could bring them in over the phone line.
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Many of the prominent Truthers HAVE been asked to appear on HF already, and have found a way to squirm out of it. They typically initially agree (have to keep bravado appearances up) then find a way to get out, usually by claiming Ron is bias (which he is in terms of his beliefs, but never leads anyone to believe any different), and they then call him deceptive, and decline.

TAM:)
 
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T.A.M. said:
Many of the prominent Truthers HAVE been asked to appear on HF already, and have found a way to squirm out of it. They typically initially agree (have to keep bravado appearances up) then find a way to get out, usually by claiming Ron is bias (which he is in terms of his beliefs, but never leads anyone to believe any different), and they then call him deceptive, and decline.

TAM:)
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Yup. Hoffman, Rowe, Rodriguez, and Griffin all initially agreed, then backed out.
 
Update: Arthur Scheuerman has agreed to discuss his book on WTC 7. Mark is, of course, welcome to appear with him. My producer wants balance, so we are looking for a twoofer to explain how the collapse of an obscure building seven hours after the attacks contributes to the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's scheme to conquer the world for Halliburton. Guess what? The tinfoil-hat brigade is not exactly lining up for the opportunity to expose Mark. Does anyone have a suggestion?
 
You would think Gage and Griffin would be chomping at the bit to get at Arthur and his book. I think, for some reason though, there will be no truther takers.

TAM:)
 
pomeroo said:
Update: Arthur Scheuerman has agreed to discuss his book on WTC 7. Mark is, of course, welcome to appear with him. My producer wants balance, so we are looking for a twoofer to explain how the collapse of an obscure building seven hours after the attacks contributes to the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy's scheme to conquer the world for Halliburton. Guess what? The tinfoil-hat brigade is not exactly lining up for the opportunity to expose Mark. Does anyone have a suggestion?
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Offer the twoofer that you'll write a note to teacher:

Dear Teach:

Johnny learned a lot last night... well, quite frankly he got his ass handed to him, that ass is now in a sling, and therefore Hardfire Central Control authorizes his absence in your homeroom today. Please view the debate at the Web address provided, and I'm sure you'll agree that Johnny needs ample time to recover. Johnny's basically screwed, Ms. Teach. See? Look at that hair - that's technically impossible! You think his eyes will ever uncross? Count the number of square knots in Johnny's arms, did you get the same number I did? 23? Anywho, your little nutboy student has been hosed but good, schoolmarm! When twoof is replaced by truth at high velocity, as happened last night, it can be a cerebrally-shrivelling shishkabob schtick from Hell! You'll be lucky to see Johnny in school again! Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Signed,

Doctor W, Twoofer Dispatch
 
ConspiRaider said:
Offer the twoofer that you'll write a note to teacher:

Dear Teach:

Johnny learned a lot last night... well, quite frankly he got his ass handed to him, that ass is now in a sling, and therefore Hardfire Central Control authorizes his absence in your homeroom today. Please view the debate at the Web address provided, and I'm sure you'll agree that Johnny needs ample time to recover. Johnny's basically screwed, Ms. Teach. See? Look at that hair - that's technically impossible! You think his eyes will ever uncross? Count the number of square knots in Johnny's arms, did you get the same number I did? 23? Anywho, your little nutboy student has been hosed but good, schoolmarm! When twoof is replaced by truth at high velocity, as happened last night, it can be a cerebrally-shrivelling shishkabob schtick from Hell! You'll be lucky to see Johnny in school again! Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Signed,

Doctor W, Twoofer Dispatch
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Brilliant. Luckily I was without diet coke, so my monitor is still working.

TAM:)
 
I posted the following notice on the "We Are Change NY" forum:

http://forum.wearechange.org/YaBB.pl?num=1196902366/0#0



Hardfire Debate

Today at 19:52:46
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I occasionally host a public access show, 'Hardfire,' which, over the past year, has featured debates pitting prominent 9/11 fantasists, such as Jim Fetzer and the creators of "Loose Change" against the extraordinarily well-informed rationalist Mark Roberts. Currently, I have scheduled retired battalion chief Arthur Scheuerman to discuss his book on the collapse of WTC 7. In the interest of balance, I'd like to find someone capable of challenging Scheuerman's conclusions, but the field has been thinned out. David Ray Griffin had agreed to discuss his latest book on the show, but the publication of Ryan Mackey's devastating whitepaper sent Griffin packing. Kevin Ryan challenged Mark Roberts to a debate, but Roberts's acceptance of the challenge put an end to that idea. There must be somebody who can both shake the conclusions reached by various investigations and present a coherent narrative explaining what happened on 9/11/01.
Please--I'm not here to argue; I'm looking for a guest.
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Brainache said:
What about that clunkity clunk Sasquatch woman? She'd be great TV!
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She refused to debate me on the grounds that she was "too busy exposing the 9/11 crime". This is despite the fact that she hasn't released anything new in several months, and hasn't announced releasing anything new in the near future.
 
Brainache said:
What about that clunkity clunk Sasquatch woman? She'd be great TV!
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Ron could do a show where he feeds some speed talkers Jack Daniel's and times them saying clunkity-clunk 110 times. That's really the only way to prove or disprove the explosives hypothesis.
 
Gravy said:
Ron could do a show where he feeds some speed talkers Jack Daniel's and times them saying clunkity-clunk 110 times. That's really the only way to prove or disprove the explosives hypothesis.
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Now you're talking! Better make sure you get one Major Republican and just to offset Ron's obvious bias, you'd better get a Colonel Democrat.
 
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