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funky discharge

Luke T. said:
How interesting, in light of all the howling by Kerry supporters for Bush to release his service record.
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That's really the thing that I'm asking here. Where is NBC and CBS and PBS and ... doing intensive research and speculation on this question? Isn't Kerrys record equally as interesting as Bush's?
 
crimresearch said:
Uhhmmm...I think we are getting confused here...Kerry WAS on active duty while he was in Vietnam...where did you get the notion that he was never on active duty, or that the brass hated him in 1969??
Or did you have the belief that new obligated service is offset by time already in? If someone has 2 years in as an enlisted man, and they go through some bootstrap program, they are obligated for ANOTHER 6 years in return for being commissioned, the time served doesn't count.

The allegation was that Kerry incurred a new 6 year obligation after he had been in the reserves for a while, and then put in papers to get out at his original EOS.
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Yes, there is some confusion here. I didn't get the notion is was never on active duty.

Where did you get the notion he re-up'ed? Rumor? I like a good rumor, but that's how I treat them.
 
peptoabysmal said:
Where is NBC and CBS and PBS and ... doing intensive research and speculation on this question? Isn't Kerrys record equally as interesting as Bush's?
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How do you know the networks haven't investigated (and reported) on Kerry's service? Is there evidence to suggest that more time was spent on Bush's record than Kerry's?
 
Rob Lister said:
Yes, there is some confusion here. I didn't get the notion is was never on active duty.

Where did you get the notion he re-up'ed? Rumor? I like a good rumor, but that's how I treat them.
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How? You've supported various rumors and speculations about Kerry's service...but now you don't like this one?

Without his records, it is *all* speculation and rumor...

...one of them is the one the Navy SEALS put forth about his re-upping, and then filing a false request to get out on his original date...if it offends you, then ignore it.
If you have proof that they are lying, post it, or go over to their forums and tell them they are lying...I'm just reporting that these questions about Kerry's discharge are not brand new.
 
crimresearch said:
How? You've supported various rumors and speculations about Kerry's service...but now you don't like this one?
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Actually not. I've considered various testimony about Kerry's service, before and after his actual active/inactive status, and considered it (his service) less than honorable.

crimresearch said:
Without his records, it is *all* speculation and rumor...
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Again, not true. Testimony, supported and/or confirmed by other records, rise above speculation and rumor. Most of what I've encountered, peicemeal, demonstrates he may be a less than honorable person. In total, it convinces me.

crimresearch said:
...one of them is the one the Navy SEALS put forth about his re-upping, and then filing a false request to get out on his original date...if it offends you, then ignore it.
If you have proof that they are lying, post it, or go over to their forums and tell them they are lying...I'm just reporting that these questions about Kerry's discharge are not brand new.
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Anyone can say anything about anyone. I'm not saying they are lying, but I suspect strongly that they are, or at best sadly mistaken. If Kerry had re-up'd, I pretty sure there would be hard evidence of this, excluding his personnel file.

It is, to be frank, a extraordinary claim. It therefore requires, extraordinary evidence.
 
varwoche said:
How do you know the networks haven't investigated (and reported) on Kerry's service? Is there evidence to suggest that more time was spent on Bush's record than Kerry's?
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I'm biased so...

It seems to me that Kerry and Bush have had their service records examined by the news media to a more or less equal extent. It does not seem to me that the news media has been fair in their examination. The PBS documentary aired recently (I can't remember the name) is a good examply of this.

But, I'm biased, so...
 
Rob Lister said:
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...Anyone can say anything about anyone. I'm not saying they are lying, but I suspect strongly that they are, or at best sadly mistaken. If Kerry had re-up'd, I pretty sure there would be hard evidence of this, excluding his personnel file.

It is, to be frank, a extraordinary claim. It therefore requires, extraordinary evidence.
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No, what is an extraordinary claim, is that the Navy Seals who have a long track record of exposing hundreds upon hundreds of phonies and their inflated claims of heroism (using public records, and the network of contacts among the vets community), are suddenly and inexplicably wrong in the case of Kerry.

(Edited to read): I would look forward to evidence to support it, but I've been following these Navy SEAL debunkers for years, and they are IMHO, every bit as effective and credible as Randi at spotting charlatans in the form of bogus claims about military service.
 
crimresearch said:
No, what is an extraordinary claim, is that the Navy Seals who have a long track record of exposing hundreds upon hundreds of phonies and their inflated claims of heroism (using public records, and the network of contacts among the vets community), are suddenly and inexplicably wrong in the case of Kerry.

I will look forward to your providing evidence to support it.
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Whereas I look forward to evidence supporting the above claim.
 
varwoche said:
How do you know the networks haven't investigated (and reported) on Kerry's service? Is there evidence to suggest that more time was spent on Bush's record than Kerry's?
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I won't question that some network somewhere has reported on it. Maybe PBS at 3 a.m. Have you heard a report on Kerry's record? I know you have heard a report on Bush's record.

Yes there is tons and tons and tons of evidence - broadcasts, publications etc.
 
peptoabysmal said:
I won't question that some network somewhere has reported on it. Maybe PBS at 3 a.m. Have you heard a report on Kerry's record? I know you have heard a report on Bush's record.

Yes there is tons and tons and tons of evidence - broadcasts, publications etc.
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Obviously, I was wondering if these are your anecdotal musings or a statement based on evidence.

Well?
 
How can anyone look at Kerry's actual SERVICE and Bush's actual SERVICE and say that Kerry's is worse? Come on!

Also, Kerry's activities after he got out are viewed as unpatriotic, traitorous, etc. - but looking back in hindsight, he wasn't wrong, was he. The US DID commit atrocities in Vietnam. It is suggested that Kerry's actions caused NV to hold POWs longer and treat them worse. But REALLY? If Kerry hadn't ever spoken out, the North Vietnamese would have given all the POWs lollipops and backrubs and sent them home? You're kidding me.

Anyone who believes or follows this crap sets a dangerous precedent - don't question your leaders ever ever ever. Don't question your country ever ever ever. But that's not what America is about. That's what dictators are about.

What you all are doing is morally equivalent to saying that criticizing Nixon and the Ohio National Guard for killing people at Kent State was unpatriotic and helped the communists. "Wrong" is not usually subjective. Something America does doesn't become less wrong just because terrorists, communists, fascists, or dictators say it's wrong.

In fact, I submit that NOT saying something out of fear or pressure makes us just like them.
 
Dorian Gray said:
Anyone who believes or follows this crap sets a dangerous precedent - don't question your leaders ever ever ever. Don't question your country ever ever ever.
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No, it's more like don't question the leaders of "my party".
What you all are doing is morally equivalent to saying that criticizing Nixon and the Ohio National Guard for killing people at Kent State was unpatriotic and helped the communists. "Wrong" is not usually subjective.
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Start a thread on this, it's been done before and you'll find the usual Republians on this site defend the Kent State shootings.
 
crimresearch said:
No, what is an extraordinary claim, is that the Navy Seals who have a long track record of exposing hundreds upon hundreds of phonies and their inflated claims of heroism (using public records, and the network of contacts among the vets community), are suddenly and inexplicably wrong in the case of Kerry.

(Edited to read): I would look forward to evidence to support it, but I've been following these Navy SEAL debunkers for years, and they are IMHO, every bit as effective and credible as Randi at spotting charlatans in the form of bogus claims about military service.
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The second paragraph means nothing. You raised the issue and present an opinion as to the voracity by some ethereal linkage to a group of special ( Extra, too be sure ) vets. The first paragraph is a declaratory passage, yet You offer no links or background info. Not a concrete case to be sure.

The picture I got is that the SEALS were reacting on the premise that Kerry somehow impuned their service and dedication. This seems to be a peripheral response to Kerry's ant-war activism.

If you have facts that the SEALS have provided in re Kerry's service , please feel to share them.
 
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