Franko Memorial thread!

[wraith]

Actually I (and numerous others) have explained a "no time" state several times (as well as why it is an oxymoron to say "no time period"), and it is logical. I know that you have a very short attention span, but if you have learned how to use the search function, you can go back and refresh your memory. However, I am not claiming there was a "no time" state. I am saying it is possible.

The "logic" that you use is insufficient. Im sorry if that hurts you

Well Duh. If there was a no time state, it is because there was nothing, absolutely nothing else either. No matter, no energy, no consciousness. But at least you are making progress. Now you have proposed at least one "no time" scenario. Good for you, lad!

So your position that TLOP warped in from the void is different from a Christian saying that God was the Beginning?

Your double standards are amusing....at least for a while

wraith: ......still a flat earth believer huh ....

Trix: Golly, Scarecrow! That rebuttal was AMAZING! Just think what you could do if you only had a brain.

If it helps you see it that way....

wraith: To base a belief on matter creating consciousness with NOTHING to back it up? You would have to be a complete looney to believe in something like that...no offence

Trix: Nothing except science to back it up. I know you don't place much trust in science, what with re-inventing physics and all, but many of us think it works pretty well.

Yeah here we go
What "science" are you referring to?

My beliefs have changed many times based on new information, or perhaps I should say reliable new information. When I was growing up, the asteroid/comet theory of the disappearance of the dinosaurs was, to say the least, controversial. Today it is accepted by most (including myself) because of the enormous amount of evidence gathered to support it.

When you start showing me some evidence for your descriptions of gravitons, dreamworld matter and the like, then perhaps I may revise my beliefs again. Now can you explain again how

Gravitons = souls = memes = time = energy = information = matter

Evidence for consciousness creating matter you say?

 

[wraith]

So what is the source?

?
What's your source?

 

[wraith]

Scared?? Why on earth should anybody be scared of Franko/Wraith? Intrigued, yes. Puzzled, sure. Addicted, slightly at times. Irritated, certainly. Pissed off, at times. But scared, ---- not exactly.

He has been a good exercise in confronting a persistently dishonest debater. Speaking strictly for myself, I have had difficulty realizing that some people could be so consistently dishonest, but now I'm prepared for next time somebody like this shows up. --- So thanks, Franko/Wraith, it has been an interesting learning experience.

Hans

Im not finished with you....

muhaha

 

[wraith]

I don't think he was being serious.

dont bet on it

 

[MRC_Hans]

CWL:
Yeah, or, more likely, I will walk all over their d*mn decoration maze, finally finding just the model I want, only to realize that just this model is presently out of stock.

I recently moved, and while we have some years ago moved on from IKEA furniture as such, they are the source for low-price, durable closets in a wide range of sizes, combinations and looks. It only took us five visits over three weeks before we got all the doors, shelves, etc. which were alternately out of stock ..... no screws missing this time, though

Hans

 

[MRC_Hans]

Im not finished with you....

muhaha

Mmmm, actually it is more a question of whether I am finished with you.

But anytime you have something new, or interesting .... or both ....

Hans

 

[CWL]

?
What's your source?

No, no, no. You see, c4ts asked you what is generally known as a "question". When faced with such a phenomenon, the idea is to attempt to provide something called an "answer", not to ask another "question".

Seriously Wraithy, where may one learn more about the Logical Deist cosmology? Surely there must be a written source. Where can it be acquired?

Or do you mean to say that you and Frankster have made it all up from scratch? Perhaps it is simply the result of a lengthy D&D session?

 

[wraith]

Mmmm, actually it is more a question of whether I am finished with you.

But anytime you have something new, or interesting .... or both ....

Hans

..isnt it time that you sat down and took a breather pops?

 

[wraith]

No, no, no. You see, c4ts asked you what is generally known as a "question". When faced with such a phenomenon, the idea is to attempt to provide something called an "answer", not to ask another "question".

Seriously Wraithy, where may one learn more about the Logical Deist cosmology? Surely there must be a written source. Where can it be acquired?

Or do you mean to say that you and Frankster have made it all up from scratch? Perhaps it is simply the result of a lengthy D&D session?

Logic ofcourse...what else

 

[CWL]

Logic ofcourse...what else

"Logic", without considering inter alia the Fallacy of Composition...

Seriously though, who came up with the terms "Logical Deism" and "Logical Goddess"?

 

[Upchurch]

Logic ofcourse...what else

If only.

I'm curious "wraith", what is your background in logic? Do you have any formal education in the subject or is it "common sense"?

Also, what are the assumptions and techniques you have used to derive at your conclusion of "Logical Deism"? Frankly, I am skeptical of your (or rather, Franko's, as if there were a difference) results because they don't agree with observed phenomena. Do you have a method for explaining the discrepencies?

 

[The Fool]

Perhaps it is simply the result of a lengthy D&D session?

Dind, Ding, ding, ding, ding. Silver tickertape and balloons fall from above as a shapely girl comes on with a large novelty cheque. CWL has won the prize for discovering the origin of the whole thing.

Franko/wraith uses JREF as a free online roleplaying game.

 

[hammegk]

Linear thinking, stay-in-the-box, literalists wouldn't recognize an allegory if it bit them on the ass.

 

[CWL]

Linear thinking, stay-in-the-box, literalists wouldn't recognize an allegory if it bit them on the ass.

... and roleplaying woo-woo trolls wouldn't recognize the importance of backing one's assertions with sources and evidence if they were stuck with it in an elevator for a week.

 

[wraith]

"Logic", without considering inter alia the Fallacy of Composition...

Seriously though, who came up with the terms "Logical Deism" and "Logical Goddess"?

So it's the fallacy of composition?
So you dont obey TLOP?
Thats what youre saying?

 

[CWL]

So it's the fallacy of composition?
So you dont obey TLOP?
Thats what youre saying?

Not gonna go there, Syllogism Man.

But tell me, who came up with the terms "Logical Deism" and "Logical Goddess"?

 

[wraith]

If only.

I'm curious "wraith", what is your background in logic? Do you have any formal education in the subject or is it "common sense"?

Not really.
When Im not working, studying criminal justice, playing counter strike, listen to some tunes, hanging with ma budz, looking at hoties that walk past me, eating or sleeping, I like to read my science mags, reading the boards *such as this one*...Ive just finished a book called "philosophy made easy" LOL

Universe in a nutshell was a good read.
Currently reading "Simply Einstein: Relativity Demystified"

I did a subject called Logic in high school......the teacher was loco mind you

...anything else mr nosey parker?

Also, what are the assumptions and techniques you have used to derive at your conclusion of "Logical Deism"?

-MPB
-We obey TLOP
-We're not more conscious than TLOP

Frankly, I am skeptical of your (or rather, Franko's, as if there were a difference) results because they don't agree with observed phenomena. Do you have a method for explaining the discrepencies?

Observed phenomena?
LIke what?!

 

[wraith]

Dind, Ding, ding, ding, ding. Silver tickertape and balloons fall from above as a shapely girl comes on with a large novelty cheque. CWL has won the prize for discovering the origin of the whole thing.

Franko/wraith uses JREF as a free online roleplaying game.

Hey chump change...

let the big boys handle this one ok?

 

[wraith]

Not gonna go there, Syllogism Man.

alright

But tell me, who came up with the terms "Logical Deism" and "Logical Goddess"?

Im not sure...
Though LD does not contain dogma.

ANYWAY
We shall continue this tomorrow. It's 00:20 over here and Im going to catch some zzzs...catch ya on the flip side

 

[CWL]

Im not sure...
Though LD does not contain dogma.

ANYWAY
We shall continue this tomorrow. It's 00:20 over here and Im going to catch some zzzs...catch ya on the flip side

You must have some idea where the terms came from. Where did you personally learn about them? I eagerly await your further response.