Franko Memorial thread!

[hammegk]

Re: Re: Replying to C4ts

Actually, given the context of The Matrix, it would be a materialist explination of dualism, i.e. the spirit of the avatars (matter) in the matrix are physical in the "real world".

And yes, it is far-fetched because, you know, a movie.

Um, OK. And if that isn't a good analogy for materialist dualism, what is a better one?

 

[c4ts]

Well, there was that thread where I posted my half-assed brain in a tank philosophy, but it's pretty much the same thing.

 

[whitefork]

Hmmmm. "Half-assed brain". Does it only have only one lateral lobe of the cerebellum or something?

 

[Q-Source]

When my understanding about the subject is sufficient, I will rant on haha, for now stay tuned

wraith,

The most important thing that you must always remember is that you have to find the Truth for yourself. Do not make the mistake of accepting everything that someone who seems to be smart tells you to accept.

No matter how much you admire that person, do not take his word for it. He may be wrong!

Think for yourself, ask questions, read more, listen to other people's opinions... and then if you are convinced then you will know why you are convinced.

You are such a very sweet guy (being wrong does not make you a bad person ), but you -as many people including me- have many things to learn before making your mind.
Good luck.

Q

 

[c4ts]

Hmmmm. "Half-assed brain". Does it only have only one lateral lobe of the cerebellum or something?

It means I forgot to hyphenate "brain-in-a-tank," that's what it means.

 

[wraith]

Yuck! Thats a lot of hot air. A rock is a meme? How does it have gravity, then. Can I hit you on the head with a meme (rock)? Do you really know what you are talking about, or are you just smoke-screening?

Just pick up a rock and through it at me

Smoke screening? No, I say what I believe. I dont have to hide anything.

Sorry, Wraithie, I was looking for logic (as in Logical Deism, heheh), not babble. Not exactly gonna stay tuned, but I'll probably notice if you should start talking sense some day.

Took you a long time to really burn out, but it seems to have happened after all. Well, it was fun while it lasted.

Hans

haha
I dont know everything there is that LD has to offer. If you expected more of me, then in a way Im touched

If it makes you feel better about your own beliefs, then be my guest.

 

[wraith]

There you go. Thank you for finally revealing the source of the Logical Deist cosmology.

The source?

It was simply an analogy haha

 

[wraith]

Ha! I knew it. Just yesterday I was reading through this garbage and thinking, "man, this sounds like he pulled it from The Matrix." I almost posted something to that effect but I didn't have the time yesterday.

I wonder if Franko sees himself as Morpheus or Neo?

I like your new avatar Uppy

 

[wraith]

Ever hear of "new souls"? Unless souls have always been here, (i. e. no creation) then at some point they had no history. Besides, you also said gravitons are matter. According to the Sage, they must be, because they have charge and spin, properties which are only associated with matter. Seems to me that you like to call a graviton just about anything you like. It changes depending on the question. What a protean thing a graviton is!

Well if you can logically explain how there can be a "no-time" period, then youre on the ball. But you can't. So keep thinking

Perhaps there could have been a "no-time" period? If there was, my bet is that there was no consciousness.

Well, that clarifies things quite a bit. Dreamworld matter exists for you because of the way you perceive matter. You must be dreaming.

......still a flat earth believer huh ....

Of that I have no worries. The "science" of Logical Deism will almost certainly go no further than these boards, whereas Einstein, Hawking and other real geniuses will be studied forever, because their theories have scientific basis, a concept that is completely alien to Logical Deists.

I'm guessing for you, Wraith, Time will help you grow out of this silly game you are playing. Come join us in the real world, Wraith. RPGs are fun, but they accomplish nothing.

To base a belief on matter creating consciousness with NOTHING to back it up? You would have to be a complete looney to believe in something like that...no offence

But if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, while your beliefs seem to hold the default position of being True, then so be it. Whatever gives you your jollies monfre

 

[wraith]

wraith,

The most important thing that you must always remember is that you have to find the Truth for yourself. Do not make the mistake of accepting everything that someone who seems to be smart tells you to accept.

No matter how much you admire that person, do not take his word for it. He may be wrong!

Thats exactly right.
Thank God for logic

Think for yourself, ask questions, read more, listen to other people's opinions... and then if you are convinced then you will know why you are convinced.

Ill do what I can

You are such a very sweet guy (being wrong does not make you a bad person ), but you -as many people including me- have many things to learn before making your mind.
Good luck.

awww you can always turn a frown upside-down

 

[Tricky]

Well if you can logically explain how there can be a "no-time" period, then youre on the ball. But you can't. So keep thinking

Actually I (and numerous others) have explained a "no time" state several times (as well as why it is an oxymoron to say "no time period"), and it is logical. I know that you have a very short attention span, but if you have learned how to use the search function, you can go back and refresh your memory. However, I am not claiming there was a "no time" state. I am saying it is possible.

Perhaps there could have been a "no-time" period? If there was, my bet is that there was no consciousness.

Well Duh. If there was a no time state, it is because there was nothing, absolutely nothing else either. No matter, no energy, no consciousness. But at least you are making progress. Now you have proposed at least one "no time" scenario. Good for you, lad!

......still a flat earth believer huh ....

Golly, Scarecrow! That rebuttal was AMAZING! Just think what you could do if you only had a brain.

To base a belief on matter creating consciousness with NOTHING to back it up? You would have to be a complete looney to believe in something like that...no offence

Nothing except science to back it up. I know you don't place much trust in science, what with re-inventing physics and all, but many of us think it works pretty well.

But if it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside, while your beliefs seem to hold the default position of being True, then so be it. Whatever gives you your jollies monfre

My beliefs have changed many times based on new information, or perhaps I should say reliable new information. When I was growing up, the asteroid/comet theory of the disappearance of the dinosaurs was, to say the least, controversial. Today it is accepted by most (including myself) because of the enormous amount of evidence gathered to support it.

When you start showing me some evidence for your descriptions of gravitons, dreamworld matter and the like, then perhaps I may revise my beliefs again. Now can you explain again how

Gravitons = souls = memes = time = energy = information = matter

or do you prefer to remain in your warm and fuzzy dreamworld, monfre?

 

[c4ts]

The source?

It was simply an analogy haha

So what is the source?

 

[oceansize]

buh blah blah... dont get me wrong, i beg to differ with as much that franko said as the next atheist/materialist, but guys, just admit it, franko scared the ◊◊◊◊ out of most of you.

 

[c4ts]

buh blah blah... dont get me wrong, i beg to differ with as much that franko said as the next atheist/materialist, but guys, just admit it, franko scared the ◊◊◊◊ out of most of you.

Go to the flames forum. See the Wanko Saga.

 

[MRC_Hans]

buh blah blah... dont get me wrong, i beg to differ with as much that franko said as the next atheist/materialist, but guys, just admit it, franko scared the ◊◊◊◊ out of most of you.

Scared?? Why on earth should anybody be scared of Franko/Wraith? Intrigued, yes. Puzzled, sure. Addicted, slightly at times. Irritated, certainly. Pissed off, at times. But scared, ---- not exactly.

He has been a good exercise in confronting a persistently dishonest debater. Speaking strictly for myself, I have had difficulty realizing that some people could be so consistently dishonest, but now I'm prepared for next time somebody like this shows up. --- So thanks, Franko/Wraith, it has been an interesting learning experience.

Hans

 

[c4ts]

Scared?? Why on earth should anybody be scared of Franko/Wraith? Intrigued, yes. Puzzled, sure. Addicted, slightly at times. Irritated, certainly. Pissed off, at times. But scared, ---- not exactly.

He has been a good exercise in confronting a persistently dishonest debater. Speaking strictly for myself, I have had difficulty realizing that some people could be so consistently dishonest, but now I'm prepared for next time somebody like this shows up. --- So thanks, Franko/Wraith, it has been an interesting learning experience.

Hans

I don't think he was being serious.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I don't think he was being serious.

Doh! Damn them crappy Wallmart irony detectors! Keep blowing out. Or is it this forum overloading them?

Hans

 

[Tricky]

Doh! Damn them crappy Wallmart irony detectors! Keep blowing out. Or is it this forum overloading them?

Hans

Next time you're at WalMart, buy some duct tape to hold them together. Works for my bugzapper.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Well, actually, thank gawd, I'm half a planet away from the nearest Walmart.

Hans

 

[CWL]

Well, actually, thank gawd, I'm half a planet away from the nearest Walmart.

Hans

Perhaps you can get a new irony detector at your nearest IKEA instead. Of course, you will have to assemble it yourself (and a few screws are bound to be missing).