France is it time?

Denise,
Because they are opposed to almost every policy of the US abroad.

Really ? So an allied country must never oppose to anything that the american gouvernement is doing ? Even if they think that the american gouvernement is wrong ?

That would make that country a servant, not an ally... :)

Elio
 
Elio said:
Denise,

Really ? So an allied country must never oppose to anything that the american gouvernement is doing ? Even if they think that the american gouvernement is wrong ?

That would make that country a servant, not an ally... :)

Elio

I said almost every, not one. See? It seems to me that France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. Not just one. So why pretend the friendship. Isn't it at least disengenuine on the part of the French?
 
hgc said:
According to this article, there are 200 French special forces troops working alongside U.S. forces looking for bin Laden. It doesn't say how many other French troops are in that country.

Also note that France is heavily involved in Djibouti, on the horn of Africa, along with U.S. troops, and are probably working to root out al Queda in Somalia.

France says the same thing that many Americans say. The war on terror is very important and worth fighting, and the war in Iraq is not the same thing (at least not until Bush's blundering made it so).
200 troups, hell that's alot.
 
Denise,
It seems to me that France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. Not just one.

I'm not sure if France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. But what if they are against them for good reasons ?

Elio
 
Denise said:


I said almost every, not one. See? It seems to me that France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. Not just one. So why pretend the friendship. Isn't it at least disengenuine on the part of the French?

"Seems"? Do you have any examples, besides Iraq...?
 
Elio said:
Denise,

I'm not sure if France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. But what if they are against them for good reasons ?

Elio
And what if we have good reasons? I think it's time to cut the ties of France. They are good pacifists to be sure, and that's what got them rolled over by Germany. They have not changed. They would roll over on their backs now. What do our countries have in common? Nothing now, so why pretend, why go through the motions. I was disappointed when Bush shook Chirac's hand. I think he should have stayed home and mourned our dead in a ceremony that meant something. My opinion again.
 
Also, contrary to what George W. Bush might think, the game of global politics is not black and white. Just because you disagree with some country doesn't mean that there aren't benefits to keeping relations open on both sides.
 
Do you have to return gifts?


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Elio said:
Denise,

I'm not sure if France is against almost every action that the US is engaged in. But what if they are against them for good reasons ?

Elio

Like making millions from the Oil for Food program? Yeah I can see how many can be a good reason.
 
They are good pacifists to be sure, and that's what got them rolled over by Germany.

Okay, this is where I lose all respect for you.
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/frame5.htm

There were 213,324 French soldiers killed in WW2. They died defending France, which had recently been devestated by WW1. The French did not "roll over", they were defeated because they and the rest of Europe were foolish enough to ignore Hitler's military buildup.
 
It seems to me that the French are mostly opposed to the Bush administration. I cannot recall them being so peeved with Clinton. So why in the world would they cut ties with the US simply because they disaprove of the policies of the current administration? They know these things can change. But if they came out an made a formal declaration of cutting ties, how would they be able to back up and say, "Me pardonner, mais nous voulons être vos amis encore."

No, severing diplomatic relations is something that should only be done under the most dire of circumstances. This ain't it.
 
Nasarius said:
Also, contrary to what George W. Bush might think, the game of global politics is not black and white. Just because you disagree with some country doesn't mean that there aren't benefits to keeping relations open on both sides.

And the benefits of a relationship with France are?
 
Nasarius said:

Okay, this is where I lose all respect for you.
http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/frame5.htm

There were 213,324 French soldiers killed in WW2. They died defending France, which had recently been devestated by WW1. The French did not "roll over", they were defeated because they and the rest of Europe were foolish enough to ignore Hitler's military buildup.
Indeed. Only several thousand percent more of their population than the US. Plus, they had suffered heavy casualties from WWI only a generation earlier. They simply didn't have the manpower to put up a prolonged struggle.
 
Denise,
And what if we have good reasons? I think it's time to cut the ties of France. They are good pacifists to be sure, and that's what got them rolled over by Germany. They have not changed. They would roll over on their backs now.

I'm assuming that you're not being ironic ... :)

So that's what I said earlier. A good ally must never disagree. Even with good reasons.

You are with us or against us... :)

Elio.
 
Grammatron,
Like making millions from the Oil for Food program? Yeah I can see how many can be a good reason.

If it's true, that would not be a good reason...

Elio.
 
Tricky said:

Indeed. Only several thousand percent more of their population than the US. Plus, they had suffered heavy casualties from WWI only a generation earlier. They simply didn't have the manpower to put up a prolonged struggle.

I disagree. They had an opportunity to deliver some serious blows but pacifism is exactly what prevented them from doing so.

When almost entire German army was busy at Poland they could have marched through the unprotected border to Berlin they did not and allowed Germany to take Poland, build up further and then advance on France.
 
Grammatron,
I disagree. They had an opportunity to deliver some serious blows but pacifism is exactly what prevented them from doing so.

When almost entire German army was busy at Poland they could have marched through the unprotected border to Berlin they did not and allowed Germany to take Poland, build up further and then advance on France..

So what ?

Even if what you're saying is true, what has is got to do with the current disagreements between France and the U.S. ?

Elio.
 

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