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Flight 93

Southwind17 said:
So, are we to assume that both Unchained Spirit and theauthor have scuttled off with their tails between their legs, not having the courage even to acknowledge that they've been presented with arguments that convincingly invalidate, if not disprove, their notions of "disinformation", if not an inside job? I note they've both elected to take their posts elsewhere in the Forum, so they're still peddling their wares, so to speak.

Or was it the warnings from Chillzero that sent them scurrying, realizing that posts without insults were of little or no value to them?
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Sorry, but I haven't "scuttled off" anywhere. I've read the posts, and I'm researching the data further on my own, when I have time, or when I feel like it. I run on my own schedule and no one elses.

Thanks for your well laid out, informative posts, though nothing in them has convincingly invalidated, or disproved, an inside job to me.
 
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why is that? please list what make you think that flight 93 points to an inside job? seeing that the evidence provided proves it wasn;t an inside job.
 
beachnut said:

What is cool, there are witnesses to 93 making the impact crater.
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Name all these witnesses beachnut who witnessed 93 making the crater. Witnesses who directly say they saw the plane go into the ground. All of them with links and exact quotes to watching 93 make that impact crater.

No reports about nosediving planes or anything like that beachy, just the plane making that crater.

:D
 
Arus808 said:
why is that? please list what make you think that flight 93 points to an inside job? seeing that the evidence provided proves it wasn;t an inside job.
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It's not just flight 93, it's the event as a whole. Please detail *what* evidence proves that it *wasn't* an inside job. I've already stated that I pretty much agree that 93 wasn't shot down, based on the debris fields. What I'm questioning is the official flight path. Even if the official flight path is correct, how, exactly, does that disprove an inside job?
 
beachnut said:
Source the quote. You fail to understand, over. And you fail to source to the person who said over? Or are you just making up stuff as you go?

So far you have not posted an official flight path, or Stop's location on the lake, or his exact quote. His quote. But if you believe in 9/11 truth you have a problem.
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Sorry Beacy but the author of that story stands by that exact statement. You could contact the author yourself or properly use the search function at the forum here as one it was one of your fellow members who contacted the author and posted their response.

Jim Stop was fishing at Indian Lake. A plane flew over him north towards the crash site. Inside Indian Lake Marina Jim Brandt, Carol Delasko, John Fleegle, & Tom Spinelli all hear the plane fly over towards the crash site and then the impact. Indian Lake Mayor Barry Lichty can be seen talking about how Flight 93 flew over his house at Indian Lake and then ultimately stating he was told flight 93 didn't fly over his house so he don't know what plane it now was in LCFC. Val McClatchey hears Flight 93 fly over her house and manages to look outside her window in time to see it before it impacts which happens to be coming right over Lee Purbaugh who insists the plane was flying right side up when it crashed and not upside down.

Upside down would be inconsistent with the crater if the plane was coming from the South which is now determined by the accounts of Stop, Brandt, Delasko, Fleegle, Spinelli, Lichty, McClatchey, & Purbaugh.

Please feel free to explain how everyone of these witnesses is wrong about their historical accounts.
 
Oh yeah and let's not forget Susan McElwain's historical account which places a small white plane at a very low altitude 1 mile from the crash site flying towards it before the explosion.

Yep thats not your corporate jet 30,000 feet up descending down to 5,000 feet minutes after the crash.......
 
Unchained Spirit said:
It's not just flight 93, it's the event as a whole. Please detail *what* evidence proves that it *wasn't* an inside job. I've already stated that I pretty much agree that 93 wasn't shot down, based on the debris fields. What I'm questioning is the official flight path. Even if the official flight path is correct, how, exactly, does that disprove an inside job?
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Perhaps the same reason you can't disprove the existence of the easter bunny. If you are claiming an inside job, the burden of proof is on YOU, not the people who aren't imagining it.
 
Yes Beach, please explain how all these witnesses who saw the plane are lying because they prove that there was no flight 93 since their first hand sightings of the plane prove it wasn't on the stated path and thus proving the plane they sawe with their own eyes could not have existed.
 
Jonnyclueless said:
Yes Beach, please explain how all these witnesses who saw the plane are lying because they prove that there was no flight 93 since their first hand sightings of the plane prove it wasn't on the stated path and thus proving the plane they sawe with their own eyes could not have existed.
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yes because Stop, Delasko, Brandt, Lichty, Fleegle, Spinelli, McClatchey, & Purbaugh's comments all support the official story, right?

And the real question posed to Beachy was to name all the people who watched the plane actually impact the ground not seen it.
 
Is there any evidence that the aircraft all these people heard coming over Indian Lake was actually UA93? It seems to me everyone - including them - is just assuming it was UA93.
 
gumboot said:
Is there any evidence that the aircraft all these people heard coming over Indian Lake was actually UA93? It seems to me everyone - including them - is just assuming it was UA93.
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ok gumboot,

which plane do you propose came flying low over Indian Lake losing parts (according to Jim Stop) heading towards the crash site prior to the explosion and arriving at the exact time of the explosion?

i'm all ears.

p.s. why does Lee Purbaugh insist the plane he saw crash wasn't flying upside down?
 
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TC329 said:
ok gumboot,

which plane do you propose came flying low over Indian Lake losing parts (according to Jim Stop) heading towards the crash site prior to the explosion and arriving at the exact time of the explosion?

i'm all ears.

p.s. why does Lee Purbaugh insist the plane he saw crash wasn't flying upside down?
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Do you have any proof that the people you interviewed weren't telling you stories (dis-info) to make you look like a fool? Maybe some scientific or physical evidence.
 
DGM said:
Do you have any proof that the people you interviewed weren't telling you stories (dis-info) to make you look like a fool? Maybe some scientific or physical evidence.
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you can get all that information from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Sommerset Daily American, along with AP and other national outlets which picked them up.

so who is the disinfo?

all these eyewitnesses?
all these media outlets?

come on DGM quit taking blind stabs and just admit that somethings not right here and it warrents a real investigation.
 
TC329 said:
you can get all that information from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Sommerset Daily American, along with AP and other national outlets which picked them up.

so who is the disinfo?

all these eyewitnesses?
all these media outlets?

come on DGM quit taking blind stabs and just admit that somethings not right here and it warrents a real investigation.
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No physical or scientific evidence (to support your position) and the vast majority of witnesses agree with the accepted investigation. Who's stabbing in the dark?
 
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DGM said:
No physical or scientific evidence (to support your position) and the vast majority of witnesses agree with the accepted investigation. Who's stabbing in the dark?
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you can get all that information from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Sommerset Daily American, along with AP and other national outlets which picked them up.

so who is the disinfo?

all these eyewitnesses?
all these media outlets?
 
TC329 said:
you can get all that information from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, Pittsburgh Tribune Review, Sommerset Daily American, along with AP and other national outlets which picked them up.

so who is the disinfo?

all these eyewitnesses?
all these media outlets?
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No dis-info (intentional) in those stories. If you take all the info put together instead of cherry picking certain parts. Like the account at the marina. Only your explanation of their accounts is in violation of the "official story" as displayed in this vary thread (thats what happens when you work back from a predetermined conclusion).
 
DGM how dare you suggest that conspiracy theorists usually start with a predetermined conclusion and work backwards. ;)
 
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