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Flight 77 flight path

Say, how is that National Security Alert coming? Utter failure or a Aldo's Wicker Chair style failure? .

How many months ago was that crap posted for the National Security Alert? Remember the CIT "REPORT" tab? You were supposed to post all the letters etc, that you sent to the media demanding that they take action?

Hmmm.....

from the "Report" tab on the National Security Alert said:
This area is "under construction", but it will eventually be a place for you to report the outcome of your Operation Accountability efforts. For now please contact us via e-mail with any information. Thank you.


CIT - Gold Medal Winners in the Truther Special Olympics
 
These are the legitimate questions Mudlark promised us? :eek:

No, I´m asking the same question that the original poster asked about whether Lagasse had been debunked.

I was branded a ´twoofer´ with a ´hate-filled agenda´ for merely questioning the official story in earlier posts.
NOC has never been explained without the counterargument which suggests that all these witnesses were wrong. Corraborative witnesses that put the plane way off SOC.
So yes, it is a legitimate question.
 
No, I´m asking the same question that the original poster asked about whether Lagasse had been debunked.

I was branded a ´twoofer´ with a ´hate-filled agenda´ for merely questioning the official story in earlier posts.
NOC has never been explained without the counterargument which suggests that all these witnesses were wrong. Corraborative witnesses that put the plane way off SOC.
So yes, it is a legitimate question.

Oh, wait, you mean, did he say that the plane hit the Pentagon? You mean that part right? No, that has clearly never been debunked.

Silly CIT cult members, they fail to realize that their stupid theory is self debunking.

Hilarious! Thanks CIT cult member! Fantastic!

anyhow, make with the raw tape release. kthxbye
 
No, I´m asking the same question that the original poster asked about whether Lagasse had been debunked.

I was branded a ´twoofer´ with a ´hate-filled agenda´ for merely questioning the official story in earlier posts.
NOC has never been explained without the counterargument which suggests that all these witnesses were wrong. Corraborative witnesses that put the plane way off SOC.
So yes, it is a legitimate question.

Shame not even all their witness' say North Side, I know you dont know which ones thats whats so funny.
 
Pure poppycock.

The FDR has the exact true track course, 61.5 degree that lines up with the lamppost hits, and the impact damage on the Pentagon.

The witnesses all agree the lampposts were hit and that flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Please show me the testimony from 2001 and the first part of 2002 that supports your delusion; what is your delusion again. Your all important what happen.

What hit the Pentagon? BTW, the FDR and the DNA was found in the Pentagon and no one planted them.
Zero evidence is your sad reality.

If it was exact how come so many witnesses put the lane over the Navy Annex, never mind NOC?
How come nobody saw this path?
What witnesses ´all agree the lampposts were hit´?
I think you´ll find that notion debunked here.

There seems to be major confusion over the fallability of witness testimony which have been linked to regarding forgetting minor details and facial identity and the testimony we are discussing here over the simple recollection of whereabouts people saw a bigass plane looming over them.
Whether they saw it on the left or on the right of a building or ´60ft agl´

The ANC workers all describe the same thing.

It was on top of the Navy Annex.

I looked up, looking in this direction and I can see the plane over the corner of that building here, the Navy Annex. From what I seen it was at RIGHT of it. It was on this corner of it.

We saw a plane over here, the Navy Annex, come from over. [...]
Q: Would you say it was more on the North side of the station over here or the south side?
It was more on this side. Right on this side.

And I looked and damned if I didn´t see him right here, dropping.
From right up there he came..from in between what´s that the Hilton (Sheraton) and the Navy Annex and he started dropping..

The latter being Middleton whose LOC interview can be heard here and his video nterview with CIT here.

Boger saw it from an incredible vantage point. NOC.

Even impact witnesses describe NOC.

Penny Elgas.

The plane just appeared there- very low in the air, TO THE SIDE OF (AND NOT MUCH ABOVE) THE CITGO GAS STATION that I never knew was there.

Noel Sepulveda said he saw the plane in the ´Henderson Hall area´ (at right hand side of Navy Annex facing him)

James Cissell places the lane on a ´straight trajectory´.

Steve Riskus

" I was close enough (about 100 ft or so) that I could see the "American Airlines" logo on the tail as it headed towards the building... The plane looked like it was coming in about where you have the "MAX APPROACH" on that picture... I was at about where the "E" in "ANGLE OF CAMERA" is written when the plane hit... It was not completely level, but it was not going straight down, kind of like it was landing with no gear down...¨

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Even Lincoln Leibner in an educational video on 9/11 penned the plane as coming from NOC (404ed) but from his testimony he certainly does not describe SOC. Why didn´t he mention that had the plane flew NOC across the lawn he never mentioned the right wing tip passing withn metres of his position at the SW corner of the building? The plume of white smoke seen in the gatecam?


What needs to be recognised is that NOC and Navy Annex testimony can´t be brushed off.

NOC and Navy Annex corraborative testimony:

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THIS is what puts a big question mark over the validity of the translated FDR path.


the FDR and the DNA was found in the Pentagon and no one planted them.

You might want to check here for the story of the FDR recovery.

The Flight Data Recorder (FDR) was found early in the morning of September 14, 2001. Government reports indicate the FDR was found at the entrance hole of the collapsed E ring. "...the two spotted an intact seat from the plane’s cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached. Then they saw two odd-shaped dark boxes, about 1.5 by 2 feet long.... Pentagon officials said the recorders, also called "black boxes" were found around 3:40 a.m. under mounds of wreckage in the collapsed part of the building.." (MSNBC Sept 28). "Dick Bridges, a spokesman for Arlington County, Va...said the recorders were found 'right where the plane came into the building.'"

However, The ASCE Building Performance Report and a new book published by the Dept Of Defense claims the FDR was found at the exit hole in the C-Ring. "[FDR] found in the building near the hole in the inner C Ring wall leading to A-E Drive."

Flight Data Recorders and Cockpit Voice Recorders are located in the tail of an aircraft. Not the cockpit. Where are the pictures of the "black boxes" laying in the rubble prior to being removed as is with every other aircraft accident investigation? Where is the what would have been poignant and symbolic photo of this ´cockpit seat´?


Good distraction tactics btw. Still no answer on the Lagasse testimony being ´debunked´. Seems there are a lot of other testimonies to be debunked as well.
 
Shame not even all their witness' say North Side, I know you dont know which ones thats whats so funny.

Which ones that I have mentioned do not describe NOC?
Lagasse? Brooks? ANC witnesses? Boger? Turcios? Stephens? Who?
 
Which ones that I have mentioned do not describe NOC?
Lagasse? Brooks? ANC witnesses? Boger? Turcios? Stephens? Who?

I'll give you a hint, one of them is the only one that CIT actually believes saw a fly over.
 
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Oh, wait, you mean, did he say that the plane hit the Pentagon? You mean that part right? No, that has clearly never been debunked.

Silly CIT cult members, they fail to realize that their stupid theory is self debunking.

Hilarious! Thanks CIT cult member! Fantastic!

anyhow, make with the raw tape release. kthxbye

All I´ve asked up to now is for someone to explain to me how the plane reached the first lightpole from NOC.
And how the plane made the damage from NOC.
Explain that and I´ll leave the ´cult´.

I might even join yours :covereyes
 
All I´ve asked up to now is for someone to explain to me how the plane reached the first lightpole from NOC.
And how the plane made the damage from NOC.
Explain that and I´ll leave the ´cult´

Which assumes it went NoC to begin with, of course.
 
... Sean Boger supports Laggasse´s testimony from yet another angle. Actually on the Pentagon grounds at the heliport.
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Sean Boger? Sean saw Flight 77 impact the Pentagon. Sean never placed the flight path on a trajectory that did not hit the Lampposts or the Pentagon. Why are you posting junk? Are you saying Flight 77 did not hit the lampposts witnesses, more witnesses than CIT dolt's have, saw hit?

Sean Boger, Air Traffic Controller - "I just looked up and I saw the big nose and the wings of the aircraft coming right at us and I just watched it hit the building," Air Traffic Controller and Pentagon tower chief Sean Boger said. "It exploded. I fell to the ground and covered my head. I could actually hear the metal going through the building." dcmilitary.com November 16, 2001
If you want to support the moronic CIT overflight you need to drop Boger from your witness list. Every CIT witness places Flight 77 in the air next to the Pentagon and confirm a jet hit the Pentagon.

Only a few fringe delusional dolts try to spew delusions about a fly over and ignore with much disrespect and treason the DNA of our fellow citizens murdered by terrorists. The lack of investigative skills by CIT is complete. They are the few delusional dolts spewing nonsense.


Zero evidence is your sad reality. ...

What witnesses ´all agree the lampposts were hit´?
I think you´ll find that notion debunked ...

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No, you are the zero evidence opinion hearsay poster, proved by poor support for CIT. Do you support CIT over flight nonsense? You were debunked on 911. 8 years of failed delusions, CIT.

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

16 mentioned seeing the plane hit light poles/trees, or were next to to the poles when it happened. Another 8 mentioned the light poles being knocked down: it's unknown if they saw them hit.
 
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Zero evidence is your sad reality..

Agreed! We've been putting up with CIT's lack of evidence forever.

I do love your borderline insane photos with the arrows on them.

Say, sport, why don't you turn those arrows around and show their view of the flyover? Curious that they all said that the plane hit the Pentagon, ain't it?

hee hee hee!
 
I'll give you a hint, one of them is the only one that CIT actually believes saw a fly over.

Can´t be Roosevelt Roberts he saw the ´second plane´ AFTER the impact.
Hmm..

Maria de la Cerda? Dewitt Roseborough? Witnesses described by Eric Dihle?
The witnesses interviewed sy Statter? The Mr. Gurba who talked about a plane that ´missed the Pentagon´ and ´flew over the parking lot´ live that morning on ABC News?
You´ll have to narrow it down mate.
 
All I´ve asked up to now is for someone to explain to me how the plane reached the first lightpole from NOC.
And how the plane made the damage from NOC.
Explain that and I´ll leave the ´cult´.

I might even join yours :covereyes

Oh, the fallacy of begging the question. You see, you have to establish how the airliner flew the insane path your heroes came up with in the first place, when all their witnesses say the plane hit the Pentagon.

Your only "evidence" contradicts your pals' idiocy.

or just have the failures release their raw tapes.
 
All I´ve asked up to now is for someone to explain to me how the plane reached the first lightpole from NOC.
And how the plane made the damage from NOC.
Explain that and I´ll leave the ´cult´.

I might even join yours :covereyes

How do you explain south path witnesses such as Albert Hemphill, Madelyn Zakhem, Allen Wallace, Tim Timmerman, and Dawn Vignola?
 
No, I´m asking the same question that the original poster asked about whether Lagasse had been debunked.

I was branded a ´twoofer´ with a ´hate-filled agenda´ for merely questioning the official story in earlier posts.
NOC has never been explained without the counterargument which suggests that all these witnesses were wrong. Corraborative witnesses that put the plane way off SOC.
So yes, it is a legitimate question.

No, it's silly no-planer nonsense. Here's your three letter trump card--DNA.
 
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All I´ve asked up to now is for someone to explain to me how the plane reached the first lightpole from NOC.
And how the plane made the damage from NOC.
Explain that and I´ll leave the ´cult´. ...

There is no NOC, it is nonsense made up by idiots based on nothing but moronic anti-investigation techniques. The proof is watching the CIT videos, the witnesses are pointing to the south flight path.

Who cares if you quit believing the delusions of CIT, it is self-critiquing.

77flightpathFDR615degrees.jpg

FDR final track is 61.5 degrees, shown here from GE, it proves the south flight path because it lines up with the impact damage done by a 757 going 483 KIAS. You see physics shows the damage was down by an object the exact shape of a 757 at the speed Flight 77 was going. In addition the jet fuel fireball is exactly what jet fuel fireball looks like for the exact amount of fuel carried by flight 77 going 483 KIAS.

The big killer to the NOC is the passengers DNA and aircraft impact are in line with the final track that matches the downed lampposts seen knocked down by witnesses, and also recored in the FDR found on the same track.

Your NOC was a delusion by dolt non-investigators, never trained to much more than make up false claims. What is CIT excuse; drugs or stupidity?


Can´t be Roosevelt Roberts he saw the ´second plane´ AFTER the impact.
Hmm..

Maria de la Cerda? Dewitt Roseborough? Witnesses described by Eric Dihle?
The witnesses interviewed sy Statter? The Mr. Gurba who talked about a plane that ´missed the Pentagon´ and ´flew over the parking lot´ live that morning on ABC News?
You´ll have to narrow it down mate.
Roberts time line is pure junk. You failed unless you can post a time-line of Roberts that makes sense.

A C-130 flew over the Pentagon at low altitude, right where Roberts could see it. Flight 77 was going 483 KIAS and would be impossible to fly where Roberts saw the C-130. The only large planes over the Pentagon after impact, one C-130. You should have studied the RADAR data and the witness statements from 2001.
 
What is CIT excuse; drugs or stupidity?

False dichotomy. Who says it has to be one or the other?

My vote is on both, with a little bit of damage caused by air not getting to the brain during a particularly vigorous battle with a whole baked chicken.
 
No, it silly no-planer nonsense. Here's your three letter trump card--DNA.

Truthers will simply say that it is planted... You can't really win an argument with truthers... Especially when it involves evidence that is handled by the government.
 
Can´t be Roosevelt Roberts he saw the ´second plane´ AFTER the impact.
Hmm..

Maria de la Cerda? Dewitt Roseborough? Witnesses described by Eric Dihle?
The witnesses interviewed sy Statter? The Mr. Gurba who talked about a plane that ´missed the Pentagon´ and ´flew over the parking lot´ live that morning on ABC News?
You´ll have to narrow it down mate.

Domenic.. we have been over this before. the VADOT camera pole foot peg knocked off. The top of the tree just to the overpass having its top shorn off. The shadow of the plane seen in the Citgo security camera, the flight 77 wreckage on the pentagon lawn, The genset trailer being hit by the engine and being pushed TOWARD the pentagon impact hole. The pentagon entry and exit holes lining up with the path towards the VADOT camera pole peg, the tree and all the impacted light poles, The DNA recovered. All this washes away your NOC "witnesses" Who coincidentally to a man say they saw it impact the pentagon. Lagasse was under a canopy and in the process of ducking into his cruiser. from the time its shadow was cast on south gate road on the Citgo security cam till it impacted at 780 feet per second was two seconds, It would have only been in Lagasses field of view three tenths of a second before that shadow was cast and it disappeared from his view over the canopy. before that it was behind the trees up the hillside of the annex. Sorry you lose.
 

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