Firefox has security problem

[scribble]

You seem to blah blah blah

Please take a course in logic.

I said it wasn't a reasonable test. I asked him twice to pick one more reasonable, and said he'd find the same conclusion holds.

I now extend the same offer to you. Go for it.

Oh, and please take a course in English.

 

[El Greco]

I said it wasn't a reasonable test. I asked him twice to pick one more reasonable, and said he'd find the same conclusion holds.

I thought it was more than clear that my position is we can't irrefutably prove which browser is safer simply because there is absolutely no way to count the holes in each one.

Your answer to this is "pick another test" ?

 

[mstricky]

does spyware actually attach itself to the browser? I do spybot checks and it throws up 4 objects on the helper. This week there are 8 objects on it. I deleted the helper then found all my emails were coming back as undelivered. so I restored the system.

 

[rockoon]

I thought it was more than clear that my position is we can't irrefutably prove which browser is safer simply because there is absolutely no way to count the holes in each one.

Your answer to this is "pick another test" ?

Yes, thats apparently his response.

 

[Wudang]

I thought it was more than clear that my position is we can't irrefutably prove which browser is safer simply because there is absolutely no way to count the holes in each one.

Your answer to this is "pick another test" ?

Oh well, so since there are no "irrefutable" metrics then we just ignore all the ones we do have? (shrug) And go with what? Everybody's a unique and precious snowflake entitled to their own opinion?
I'll stick with CERT advisories, bugtraq and the rest.

 

[El Greco]

Oh well, so since there are no "irrefutable" metrics then we just ignore all the ones we do have? (shrug) And go with what? Everybody's a unique and precious snowflake entitled to their own opinion?
I'll stick with CERT advisories, bugtraq and the rest.

If we had two browsers with about equal popularity, like the old Netscape vs IE, then such metrics would be useful for comparisons. As things are, I think they don't say much.

Again, just MHO.

 

[wahrheit]

La la la... *bored, picks nose while browsing this thread with a Mac*

Sorry, just had to throw in the usual OS-war stuff.

I think the reason why there are more viruses etc. for Windows (or IE) is not only because it is very popular, or because the hackers think that Microsoft s*cks. I simply guess it is quite frustrating for a hacker trying to write a trojan which upon installation automatically pops up a system window asking the user for the machine's admin password to install "itself unnoticed". These trojans would probably have limited success in spreading worldwide within a few hours or days.

 

[Darat]

La la la... *bored, picks nose while browsing this thread with a Mac*

Sorry, just had to throw in the usual OS-war stuff.

I think the reason why there are more viruses etc. for Windows (or IE) is not only because it is very popular, or because the hackers think that Microsoft s*cks. I simply guess it is quite frustrating for a hacker trying to write a trojan which upon installation automatically pops up a system window asking the user for the machine's admin password to install "itself unnoticed". These trojans would probably have limited success in spreading worldwide within a few hours or days.

Hmm... how many Mac user don’t just type in the password every time it asks for it? (Thinks of the Mac Mini sitting less then 10 foot away and the person who normally uses that.)

Most people are quite surprised on how I choose to run my Windows XP installation, my standard log in is not as an administrator account. It does mean if I want to install most software I need to log-in with an administrator.

Good to know Macs are catching up with features some OSs had what 4 years ago…

 

[Wudang]

Worms have been written that did this - eg on some Unix's a mail program ran with root privelege and could be persuaded to copy files into system areas. And on any platform malware can compromise a users setup - I've even seen something like that on MVS.

 

[LW]

Good to know Macs are catching up with features some OSs had what 4 years ago…

[Applause]Clap-clap-clap-clap-cheer![/Applause]

I have a tear in my eyes, it is rare to see as beautiful troll: "are catching up", "4 years ago", classic, truly classic.

You could generate a truly memorial flame war with that on Slashdot or some macosx usenet group.

 

[Darat]

[Applause]Clap-clap-clap-clap-cheer![/Applause]

I have a tear in my eyes, it is rare to see as beautiful troll: "are catching up", "4 years ago", classic, truly classic.

You could generate a truly memorial flame war with that on Slashdot or some macosx usenet group.

Thanks, good to know my attempts are appreciated...

 

[wahrheit]

Hmm... how many Mac user don’t just type in the password every time it asks for it? (Thinks of the Mac Mini sitting less then 10 foot away and the person who normally uses that.)

Most people are quite surprised on how I choose to run my Windows XP installation, my standard log in is not as an administrator account. It does mean if I want to install most software I need to log-in with an administrator.

Which to my knowledge is exactly the reason why so many Windows systems are vulnerable: Admin rights in the standard setup. Unfortunately, you seem to be the exception of the rule, most Wins run under admin, I read. ( Though some stuff, like the network settings, still work differently. And, of course, the Windows environment looks just ugly. Haha -- can't beat that argument, eh? )

 

[scribble]

Oh well, so since there are no "irrefutable" metrics then we just ignore all the ones we do have? (shrug) And go with what? Everybody's a unique and precious snowflake entitled to their own opinion?
I'll stick with CERT advisories, bugtraq and the rest.

A welcome voice of reason!

-Chris

 

[Wudang]

A welcome voice of reason!

-Chris

Don't thank me to soon. I'm heading over to "medicine, science and whatever" to point out that the only reason more cures are attributed to actual medicine rather than homeopathy is because there are more medical researchers than homeopaths so of course they find more real diseases, I mean err bugs, err itches.

Funny I thought it was the ones making the claim who had to provide evidence.

 

[El Greco]

Funny I thought it was the ones making the claim who had to provide evidence.

I didn't say I have evidence for that. Did I ? Let me see again.... uhmmm.... no, I didn't. This is my personal opinion, thank you. Do you claim you have evidence for the opposite position ? Or that the cited article qualifies as evidence ?

The point is that I usually stumble upon the claims that "smaller" browsers are more secure, less buggy, etc. And for these claims I have also seen no evidence.

What you believe isn't an issue.

Why isn't it ? Doesn't anyone do just that in this thread ? Or have I missed any conclusive evidence that Firefox is more secure than IE ?

Again, just MHO.

Look, I'm really getting tired about all this. I let it go, and then you come back. I've already said a million times that what I say is just my opinion. I'm getting really bloody tired about this. Really bloody tired. Now, my opinion is a "claim" for which I have to provide "evidence". As if the opposite opinion is not exactly the same "claim" that needs "evidence" too. As if what you have provided is "evidence". You think it's conclusive evidence. I think it isn't. Ok.

Need I tell you what I think about your parallelism of my opinion with homeopathy and yours with medicine ? I hope not.

We've been through this again and again and again. And again. And then once more. I'm starting to suspect that this is going to turn into The New Spawn Of The Thread That Will Never Die. Please. I give you the last word. How many last words do you want before you are satisfied ?

 

[Wudang]

Bugtraq is evidence. CERT advisories are very strong evidence.

 

[CFLarsen]

9.

 

[Wudang]

EG sorry about the homeopathy crack - it was meant to be a mild poke not a slap in the face.

For the record, I have never claimed that there is "conclusive" evidence.

 

[El Greco]

EG sorry about the homeopathy crack - it was meant to be a mild poke not a slap in the face.

Never mind, no hard feelings. I know you mean well. Besides, I've had enough excitement for my standards in other threads lately, so now I feel like agreeing with everything everyone says for at least the next ...uhhhm... three months

 

[Wudang]

In the interest of balance - Firefox loses its shine