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Final Cut Press Release
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I'm a little confused by this "Already distributors.." thing. Already? Isn't it getting a little late if it's going to make it into theaters in September?
I'm in the second largest city in Norway and looked up the September, November and December lineup without seeing Loose Change there. Haven't we been clamoring loudly enough?
Although... I guess "screenings" doesn't necessarily have to imply actual movie theaters.
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I'm a little confused by this "Already distributors.." thing. Already? Isn't it getting a little late if it's going to make it into theaters in September?
I'm in the second largest city in Norway and looked up the September, November and December lineup without seeing Loose Change there. Haven't we been clamoring loudly enough?
Although... I guess "screenings" doesn't necessarily have to imply actual movie theaters.
In Finland's case I very strongly doubt any theatrical release. Only a couple of screenings at some small independent festivals or truther conferences. Nothing new there.
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I just read the press release. I just love the wording used:
"...demonic forces that seek to silence us...vicious intimidation...intimidators...attacking our supporters...continued resolve ...our campaign...are all fighting...attacks on our supporters...not veer from our course...confront our enemies...counter the evil...battles we have fought...attack...attack...intimidate...each person they strike...We will prevail...."
Sorry Dylan, but this isn't a war at all. Not even a skirmish.
Not to step on Redtail's excellent post, but Dylan and his buddies have done nothing more than make a movie. That's it. The rest of the truthers spend their time posting on forums and making their own crummy movies (possibly to gain some attention of their own).
Battles? Fighting? Attacks? Hardly.
The truth movement gives importance to their lives. Look at the wording of Dylan's press release. He paints himself and the truthers as heros. They are the little guys fighting the noble fight (a fight that consists entirely of Youtube and ignorance.)
Keep tilting at those windmills turthers... Dylan Quixote rides again.
"...demonic forces that seek to silence us...vicious intimidation...intimidators...attacking our supporters...continued resolve ...our campaign...are all fighting...attacks on our supporters...not veer from our course...confront our enemies...counter the evil...battles we have fought...attack...attack...intimidate...each person they strike...We will prevail...."
Sorry Dylan, but this isn't a war at all. Not even a skirmish.
Not to step on Redtail's excellent post, but Dylan and his buddies have done nothing more than make a movie. That's it. The rest of the truthers spend their time posting on forums and making their own crummy movies (possibly to gain some attention of their own).
Battles? Fighting? Attacks? Hardly.
The truth movement gives importance to their lives. Look at the wording of Dylan's press release. He paints himself and the truthers as heros. They are the little guys fighting the noble fight (a fight that consists entirely of Youtube and ignorance.)
Keep tilting at those windmills turthers... Dylan Quixote rides again.
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Yes, it is a shame that it will only be a day in the future when some of them find out life is essentially meaningless and pointless, and start to grow up..
Not only is it excessive use of war language, it's excessive use of cliche. Have you ever seen so many cliches in one place? It reads like Cary Elwes' parody Winston Churchill speech from Robin Hood: Men In Tights. If Toby Keith ever sees it, he'll have enough material for two new albums and a Ford Truck commercial.
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I kind of share SezMe's fears. That is, I believe really stupid documentaries full of garbage not only have the potential to be accepted by a lot of people, but it happens often.
I addressed this in another thread, but I don't think the danger is anyone actually doing anything with this information. People don't care. But they will believe it. Not necessarily all of it - indeed they might not actually believe any of the specific claims - but they'll swallow the idea that something's wrong, the government lied, bla bla. Were you to show Loose Change to every single person in the western world, I guarantee you that over half would walk away from it believing the US government had a hand in 9/11.
They won't do anything about it, any more than people who are convinced humans are going to destroy the earth in 50 years stop driving their SUV.
Humans have an incredible knack for having a belief system that's completely at odds with their actions.
And so the general notion that the US government might have been involved in 9/11 will seep into the population's general knowledge, as quietly and unseen, these and other false notions retard our collect knowledge.
Now, all of this relies on people seeing it. I don't for a second believe lots of people are going to see it. They will never get a significant theatrical release, let alone the sort of advertising campaign that will bring people in to see it.
But I think it's naive and foolish for us to think that the average person would reject it out of hand. They won't. They'll believe it. There's ample evidence to support that.
-Gumboot
I addressed this in another thread, but I don't think the danger is anyone actually doing anything with this information. People don't care. But they will believe it. Not necessarily all of it - indeed they might not actually believe any of the specific claims - but they'll swallow the idea that something's wrong, the government lied, bla bla. Were you to show Loose Change to every single person in the western world, I guarantee you that over half would walk away from it believing the US government had a hand in 9/11.
They won't do anything about it, any more than people who are convinced humans are going to destroy the earth in 50 years stop driving their SUV.
Humans have an incredible knack for having a belief system that's completely at odds with their actions.
And so the general notion that the US government might have been involved in 9/11 will seep into the population's general knowledge, as quietly and unseen, these and other false notions retard our collect knowledge.
Now, all of this relies on people seeing it. I don't for a second believe lots of people are going to see it. They will never get a significant theatrical release, let alone the sort of advertising campaign that will bring people in to see it.
But I think it's naive and foolish for us to think that the average person would reject it out of hand. They won't. They'll believe it. There's ample evidence to support that.
-Gumboot
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As a European observer, what frustrates me about this current climate in America, given these truthers, is an incredible amount of selfishness.
To explain I'll repeat the paraphrase that vespa guy posted above
"...demonic forces that seek to silence us...vicious intimidation...intimidators...attacking our supporters...continued resolve ...our campaign...are all fighting...attacks on our supporters...not veer from our course...confront our enemies...counter the evil...battles we have fought...attack...attack...intimidate...each person they strike...We will prevail...."
To me, that comes off as incredibly spoilt. There sit all these truthers, in their comfortable suburban homes, who will get paid to go through university by their parents, and they compare something like Fox News to "demonic forces" keeping them down. I'm reminded of this dude from ground zero.
The woman says that he is naive and ignorant, but this guy has actually been in a war, he actually knows what it is like to be shot and and be oppressed.
As much as we can condemn the Bush Administration for rushing through the patriot act in a very undemocratic manner, in comparison to what the states in different countries have done in the past, complaining about it comes off as nothing but selfish. What personal freedom have these truthers actually lost?
I for example, sit here in London, and go to my GP for free, he puts me on Sertraline that only costs 6 pounds a month. If I break down in a car, someone will come out and fix it for me. If the tap is blocked, I call in a plumber. Sure, ID cards are a useless invention, but to complain hysterically about them when you see the abuse of citizens in Burma is just plain spoilt.
So, why do these truthers feel the need to feel 'oppressed'? Is it because it is much more exciting than a mundane existence in which their parents fund them through school?
Avery ending Loose Change with "We must act now, with the little freedoms we have left" simply diminishes the real, true abuses of the human condition everywhere.
Hoping someone will follow up on my long thought here
, but I hope you get what I mean?
To explain I'll repeat the paraphrase that vespa guy posted above
"...demonic forces that seek to silence us...vicious intimidation...intimidators...attacking our supporters...continued resolve ...our campaign...are all fighting...attacks on our supporters...not veer from our course...confront our enemies...counter the evil...battles we have fought...attack...attack...intimidate...each person they strike...We will prevail...."
To me, that comes off as incredibly spoilt. There sit all these truthers, in their comfortable suburban homes, who will get paid to go through university by their parents, and they compare something like Fox News to "demonic forces" keeping them down. I'm reminded of this dude from ground zero.
The woman says that he is naive and ignorant, but this guy has actually been in a war, he actually knows what it is like to be shot and and be oppressed.
As much as we can condemn the Bush Administration for rushing through the patriot act in a very undemocratic manner, in comparison to what the states in different countries have done in the past, complaining about it comes off as nothing but selfish. What personal freedom have these truthers actually lost?
I for example, sit here in London, and go to my GP for free, he puts me on Sertraline that only costs 6 pounds a month. If I break down in a car, someone will come out and fix it for me. If the tap is blocked, I call in a plumber. Sure, ID cards are a useless invention, but to complain hysterically about them when you see the abuse of citizens in Burma is just plain spoilt.
So, why do these truthers feel the need to feel 'oppressed'? Is it because it is much more exciting than a mundane existence in which their parents fund them through school?
Avery ending Loose Change with "We must act now, with the little freedoms we have left" simply diminishes the real, true abuses of the human condition everywhere.
Hoping someone will follow up on my long thought here
, but I hope you get what I mean?Dr Adequate
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"Demonic forces"?
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12.
Hey, didn't we use to be NWO shills? Now we're creatures from the Pit.
Cool!
Bags I Beelzebub --- Lord of the Fly-Overs.
"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." - Ephesians 6:12.
Hey, didn't we use to be NWO shills? Now we're creatures from the Pit.
Cool!
Bags I Beelzebub --- Lord of the Fly-Overs.
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I'd write a reply to Avery here, but most of it would be rule8-ed. Much kudos to Redtail for putting it more eloquently than I could.
I will, however, poke fun at a few bits.
We do too, hoaxer.
Oh, I totally respect the 1st amendment. I respect your right to be a jabbering dunce by showing everyone how many lies your vomit from your mouth.
Gee, I thought it was 83% or whatever the hell it was.
Theologian, engineer, physicist, same thing.
I here you can generate cheap electricity by applying magnets to the spinning coffins of these people.
No, physics doesn't lie. But you can.
I guess those public speaking classes are paying off.
I will, however, poke fun at a few bits.
Dylan "Painful Deceptions" Avery said:
We do too, hoaxer.
Dylan "EEEdiot" Avery said:
Oh, I totally respect the 1st amendment. I respect your right to be a jabbering dunce by showing everyone how many lies your vomit from your mouth.
Dylan "Noxious Fumes" Avery said:
Gee, I thought it was 83% or whatever the hell it was.
Dylan "Screwball" Avery said:
Theologian, engineer, physicist, same thing.
Dylan "Tomb Raider" Avery said:
I here you can generate cheap electricity by applying magnets to the spinning coffins of these people.
Dylan "Pants on Fire" Avery said:
No, physics doesn't lie. But you can.
Dylan "Ego-Man" Avery said:
I guess those public speaking classes are paying off.
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What's this about "the vilification of those who clearly don’t respect the 1st amendment of the US constitution"?
Is someone suing him over copyright issues, or what?
Is someone suing him over copyright issues, or what?
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Dylan: "Criticism is oppression of free speech! Waa! Waa!"
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An analogy
To say David Ray Griffin is a better fact-checker than Jason bermas, would be like saying "well that turd doesn't smell as bad as that other turd".
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In honor of our heroes, who by their press release have declared their intent for "the dawn of truth and a new day," I hereby dedicate this song to their glory. It is to the tune of "Do You Hear the People Sing" from the Broadway show "Les Miserables."
"Do You Hear the Twoofers Sing?"
AVERY
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
BERMAS
Will you join my foolish quest?
Who will be wrong and lie with me?
Beyond the LCF
Is there a world you fail to see?
ROWE
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be mean!
ALL
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
AVERY
Will you pay all you can pay
So that my wallet may grow large?
Disagree, we call you "gay"
The truth is yours for a small charge!
The blood of the victims
Will pay for my widescreen TV!
ALL
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
"Do You Hear the Twoofers Sing?"
AVERY
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
BERMAS
Will you join my foolish quest?
Who will be wrong and lie with me?
Beyond the LCF
Is there a world you fail to see?
ROWE
Then join in the fight
That will give you the right to be mean!
ALL
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
AVERY
Will you pay all you can pay
So that my wallet may grow large?
Disagree, we call you "gay"
The truth is yours for a small charge!
The blood of the victims
Will pay for my widescreen TV!
ALL
Do you hear the twoofers sing?
Singing a song of angry men?
It is the bull**** of a forum
Which will never think again!
When the coldness of your heart
Echoes the void between your ears
From sanity we thus depart
Cuz' Final Cut nears!
Ha Ha Ha you suckers picked the wrong side. lol no matter what you do the truth will out, you can try to supress it but you lose.
I will look forward to poking you with sticks.
You are in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun.
lol lap of honour (or honor if you're an illiterate american)
I will look forward to poking you with sticks.
You are in the stickiest situation since sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun.
lol lap of honour (or honor if you're an illiterate american)