Fetzer in The Nation

[ConspiRaider]

Fetzer has obviously never seen the Blue Angels perform. I've seen planes fly near Mach 1 at altitudes of, oh, say, 20 feet.

Roger your last, J.

The loudest sound I've experienced was the sonic boom produced by an F-14 Tomcat flying just above our aircraft carrier deck, in a demonstration run.

Spooky. Here comes the jet. No sound. Quiet as a mouse. White vapor is streaming off the wings. Dead silence. Then it passes over head and BOOM! Everyone was wearing ear protectors, but I could still feel my eardrums bending inwards at the concussion.

 

[CurtC]

William Rodriguez, the senior custodian in the North Tower and the last man to leave the building, has reported massive explosions in the sub-basements that effected extensive destruction, including the demolition of a fifty-ton hydraulic press and the ripping of the skin off a fellow worker, a report corroborated by the testimony of many other custodians. [I know lots of people heard loud noises that SOUNDED like explosions. There are reasonable non-CT explanations. Can someone respond to the other claims in this graf?]

BTW - what's a graf? I looked it up, and see that it's a German title of nobility. Is that what you meant?

To answer your question, a typical 50-ton hydraulic press that someone here found a link to (at a site that sells them), is a machine that weighs about 600 pounds. It's not hard to imagine an elevator door being blown off by the erupting fuel fireball could slam the press hard enough to break it.

And explosions don't rip people's skin off. Explosions rip off whole limbs. Fires, like a fuel fireball, are what destroy people's skin. Rodriguez's story is consistent with the fuel fireball travelling down the elevator shafts, as described in the 9/11 Commission Report, and inconsistent with bombs in the basement.

 

[pagan]

That doesn't compute. Bill O'Reilly is an extreme right-wing partisan who questions the loyalty of anyone who disagrees with him in any way. Bill O'Reilly thinks liberals are plotting to destroy Christmas. If Bill O'Reilly attacks a person, rational folks want to know more about that person. O'Reilly is helping the Truth Movement with his incontinent attacks.

Not bad, indeed.

I see that there is some wisdom here among you folks after all

 

[chipmunk stew]

Not bad, indeed.

I see that there is some wisdom here among you folks after all

Yes, Perry is very wise. If you're smart, you'll heed his words:

Important Note: Nobody is "Waking Up"!​

If you study 911 Truth Movement and conspiracy people for a while, you will realize they say "everyone is waking up" at regular intervals, for no reason whatsoever. This is part of the same delusional system which causes them to perceive a nonexistent conspiracy in the first place. Don't worry. It's just something they say. The world has not gotten stupid.

The 9/11 "Truth Movement" are the guys who took too much ecstasy. Not one of them has a functioning intellect. Their ability to ignore mountains of evidence and all manner of logic knows no limit.​

But--because they are mostly angry white guys--they think they're geniuses. In fact each and every 9/11 Truth Movement dude believes he's the smartest guy in the world.​

This proves they're right-wingers, by the way. The political right in America is mostly white males of subnormal intelligence...who think they're brilliant. In fact, the dumber they are, the smarter they think they are--just look at Alex Jones.​

The Truth Movement people pose as populists. But they're creepy elitists making false accusations of mass murder and sneering at everyone in the world.​

 

[pagan]

Please, Stew.

No need to prove that Perry is on your side. Got scared?

I can take almost anything. But, not Bill O'Reilly. After a few minutes, I just wanna puke.
He is your premier defender on MSM. If he was on our side. Dammit! I would leave the truth movement. Or shot him.

The most despicable character on TV ever. Maybe, this is saying something of the American audience?

 

[Pardalis]

Have you ever been to the USA pagan?

 

[Alareth]

Roger your last, J.

The loudest sound I've experienced was the sonic boom produced by an F-14 Tomcat flying just above our aircraft carrier deck, in a demonstration run.

Spooky. Here comes the jet. No sound. Quiet as a mouse. White vapor is streaming off the wings. Dead silence. Then it passes over head and BOOM! Everyone was wearing ear protectors, but I could still feel my eardrums bending inwards at the concussion.

I'll second that, it's quite surreal seeing that F-14 coming at you with no sound. Not just no sound, but the sensation that all the sound around you is is being drained away.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Please, Stew.

No need to prove that Perry is on your side. Got scared?

He's on my "side"? Oh, that's right. This is a battle being waged as part of the InfoWars^TM

I can take almost anything. But, not Bill O'Reilly. After a few minutes, I just wanna puke.

Then we have something in common.

He is your premier defender on MSM. If he was on our side. Dammit! I would leave the truth movement. Or shot him.

You'd change your views based solely on the character of someone who agrees with you? Okay, then I extrapolate from this that you have no problem with the white supremacists, antisemites, and holocaust deniers who belong to the truth movement.

BTW, Bill O'Reilly does not defend me or my views. What he did on the show with Uncle Fetzer was attack a crackpot using the only tools he has at his disposal--ridicule and control. He didn't even make an effort to defend the official account. It wasn't necessary.

The most despicable character on TV ever. Maybe, this is saying something of the American audience?

The American audience. That's about as useful a classification as The Government. Is there any texture to your worldview, or is it really, as it appears to be, as flat as a celluloid print?

 

[Brainster]

That doesn't compute. Bill O'Reilly is an extreme right-wing partisan who questions the loyalty of anyone who disagrees with him in any way. Bill O'Reilly thinks liberals are plotting to destroy Christmas. If Bill O'Reilly attacks a person, rational folks want to know more about that person. O'Reilly is helping the Truth Movement with his incontinent attacks.

Michael Medved explained this in his comments after a recent column. He invites liberal kooks on his program because it reinforces his (untrue) message that all liberals are kooks. He does not invite conservative kooks like Jerome Corsi on his show because that would undermine his message:

As Escovado accurately points out, I've had plenty of "kooks and wackos" on my show but you'll notice they're all ON THE LEFT -- or at least far outside the Republican Party. To feature lunatics and demagogues who also claim to be Republicans (despite their association with Third Party losers like Gilchrist and Howard Phillips and so on) only serves to discredit the Republican Party. People like Corsi are already doing that dirty work (discrediting the GOP) without my promoting the process any further. When lefties and Dems discredit themselves on the air, that helps the overall conservative cause. When moon bats who identify as GOP'ers embarrass themselves with their ravings about "treason" amd "the end of sovereignty" and "premeditated merger," that hurts the conservative cause. I want to help, not hurt, the party and principles to which I've committed my life.

O'Reilly invites nutbars like Fetzer and Barrett on his show because he knows it discredits the Bush haters to be associated with kooks like this. I agree it's unfair, and perhaps encourages the few liberals who do watch his program to look into 9-11 Denial, but that wouldn't bother O'Reilly in the slightest, right?

This is also why the most substantive debunkings are done on the Left, because they recognize that their crowd, by virtue of their Bush hatred, might find 9-11 Denial appealing, and are less likely to be swayed by the "he's a nut" brand of debunking, while O'Reilly's audience, which is presumably more supportive of Bush, will probably enjoy it.

 

[JamesB]

I have corresponded with Fetzer on a couple of occasions, it is pretty pointless. He always claims that you have never done any research and he knows better, he then goes on to spout the same couple of cliches. If you read anything that he has ever written, you could break it down into less than a dozen items. Most of the time he doesn't even bother to change the wording.

 

[tacodaemon]

BTW - what's a graf? I looked it up, and see that it's a German title of nobility. Is that what you meant?

"Graf" is journalist slang for "paragraph". It apparently comes from a practice of copyeditors using misspelled words when marking up articles so that the typesetters would know not to set those words in print. Other examples are "lede" (for "lead paragraph") and "hed" (for "headline").

 

[jhunter1163]

Didn't the Thrust SSC break the speed of sound on the ground? Or at least get REAL damn close? How would that be possible if aerodynamics cause objects traveling that fast in dense air to break up?

 

[Spins]

Didn't the Thrust SSC break the speed of sound on the ground? Or at least get REAL damn close? How would that be possible if aerodynamics cause objects traveling that fast in dense air to break up?

Yes it broke the speed of sound several times, hearing a sonic boom knowing it's from a car for the first time was an amazing feeling. Anyways check the video out on the link below and listen for the creepy Tie Fighter style sound as it heads toward the sound barrier...

http://www.galleryoffluidmechanics.com/ss_cars/sscar_4.htm

 

[pomeroo]

Falsehood Alert

That doesn't compute. Bill O'Reilly is an extreme right-wing partisan who questions the loyalty of anyone who disagrees with him in any way. Bill O'Reilly thinks liberals are plotting to destroy Christmas. If Bill O'Reilly attacks a person, rational folks want to know more about that person. O'Reilly is helping the Truth Movement with his incontinent attacks.

I think that you're not telling the truth. Show us an example of O'Reilly questioning the loyalty of someone who disagrees with him.

O'Reilly may have exaggerated the scope of the campaign to secularize Christmas, but he is not wrong about its existence. You might want to take a look at few recent catalogues from Prometheus books and check out the number of titles that advocate downsizing the Christmas holiday. Before we jump to all sorts of erroneous conclusions, I should tell you that I'm not religious.

 

[Macoy]

Too much obseviousness - one must strive for objectivity.

 

[pomeroo]

Huh?

Too much obseviousness - one must strive for objectivity.

If you mean "obsequiousness," you've used the wrong word.

 

[T.A.M.]

Despite the entertainment value of watching Perry and Ron duke it out verbally over Bill O'reilly, I am not sure the 9/11 CT Forum is the place...lol

TAM

 

[Dog Town]

I think that you're not telling the truth. Show us an example of O'Reilly questioning the loyalty of someone who disagrees with him.

Now come on... I like Bill, and I know he does this on occasions. Atleast, he has people on, that he does not agree with. It is an exchange, not in his favor often, but that's cool. /derail

 

[pomeroo]

Better Behavior

Now come on... I like Bill, and I know he does this on occasions. Atleast, he has people on, that he does not agree with. It is an exchange, not in his favor often, but that's cool. /derail

All right, TAM, I'll try to bite my tongue. But I still say that if lefties are prevented from smearing their opponents and distorting their words, they have no arguments left. Hey, that reminds of another group that I really don't respect very much.

 

[T.A.M.]

lol...

Ron;

I simply don't like to polarize the conversations when we are all here for a common reason that supercedes political divide. The forum is to discuss and debate issues of the 9/11 CTs. There is a great political forum here for you and Perry, or whoever, to "put up your dukes and git to it!" so to speak.

Not to mention, given it doesnt interest me, it makes me have to scroll more...and remember, I am the most important part of this entire forum...lol

TAM