Feng Shui and Wikipedia

Brittanica didn't do much better than wikipedia in the nature study

... if you consider a 30% lower error rate "not too much better," then, yes.

Furthermore, the Nature study specifically studied one of the strengths of Wikipedia -- the technical articles. I would be very surprised to see if the historical, and especially political, articles, could achieve the same degree of factual accuracy in Wikipedia. There aren't that many nutcases with axes to grind about IEEE 754 floating point specifications.
 
... if you consider a 30% lower error rate "not too much better," then, yes.

Same order of magnitude and in many cases they have had over 100 years to get it right.

Furthermore, the Nature study specifically studied one of the strengths of Wikipedia -- the technical articles. I would be very surprised to see if the historical, and especially political, articles, could achieve the same degree of factual accuracy in Wikipedia.

Dito Britannic. Factual accuracy isn't much difffernt on contenious politial articles. They tend to be factual for much the same reason that anything the survives intact in a blast furnace tends to have a high melting point.

There aren't that many nutcases with axes to grind about IEEE 754 floating point specifications.

So? Nutcases don't really have much of an effect on factal accury.
 
No idea. It just has the second highest number of references of any article I know of.

It struck me as one of the better articles in Wikipedia with citations for just about every fact. I didn't check the resources to see if they were accurate, but I also don't care about Katie Holmes enough to bother.

I was just wondering why you brought it up.
 
Well you could say it did around 30% worse then Britannica. :)

You can play with the data in all sorts of ways (for example you could say that since more wikipedia articles were found to be without error then wikipedia has more good articles). I think I'm going to stick to what the journal did.
 
It struck me as one of the better articles in Wikipedia with citations for just about every fact. I didn't check the resources to see if they were accurate, but I also don't care about Katie Holmes enough to bother.

I was just wondering why you brought it up.

Just pointing out what references can do.
 
Various smaller media reports. For example the lastest would be the independent article:

http://news.independent.co.uk/media/article345103.ece
We do ok on politics but less well on history in this case.

Thanks for the citation. I'm not entirely sure how to read it, though; the article reads like a summary of a critical review of various Wikipedia entries (many of them of dubious quality), but it doesn't do a comparison of factual accuracy vs. Brittanica. Did I miss something?
 
The best I can figure, out of 973,456 articles, over 2000 articles have been tagged as NPOV (neutral point of view) Dispute, and 197 as Accuracy Dispute. It isn't clear if a TotallyDisputed article counts in either or both lists.

Thanks!

Dispute tags can be removed just as easily as they are added. Unless you list some specific reasons on the talk page why the accuracy or neutrality of the article is in dispute, someone will just remove the tag.

This strengthens my concern.

People have tried. I can revert your edits at a rate of greater than once per second. How fast can you edit?

I can get 20 people who, combined, can effectively remove anything you edit. If you get 40, I get 100. And so on. Now what?
 
Thanks!
This strengthens my concern.

Not really. Watchlists mean we will slightly notice if someone removes the tag

I can get 20 people who, combined, can effectively remove anything you edit.

Been tried. I won.

If you get 40, I get 100. And so on. Now what?

I don't need 40. I need at most one other person
 
Thanks for the citation. I'm not entirely sure how to read it, though; the article reads like a summary of a critical review of various Wikipedia entries (many of them of dubious quality), but it doesn't do a comparison of factual accuracy vs. Brittanica. Did I miss something?

I'm not aware of any other comparisions with britanica. The german wikipedia was compared to Brockhaus and the german version of encarta and came out on top.

Britancia has exactly the same real issues as wikipedia when it comes to politics and history (the "people will dissagree over it" is a destraction).
 
We could or we could take the view that sometimes it is better to look at scientific studies rather than relying on anicdotal evidence.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v438/n7070/full/438900a.html

Intestingly one of the errors was traced back to one of the review's books.
What you're not telling, however, is that the study was too flawed to use as a general survey of quality.

1) It focussed only one one very limited field, scientific information, long acknowledged even by detractors as Wiki's strong point. It's much easier to keep scientific information accurate. Other, less precise fields, such as history and sociology, were not tested, and are far more likely to have significant errors due to author agenda and POV, as well as vandalism.

2) If you read the study, you'll notice that Wiki still had a statistically significant higher number of profound errors, not total errors, than EB. Minor errors were comperable. In EB's case, the number of profound errors are due in large part to recent advances that have invalidated some of the older information. Wiki has not kept up with recent advances significantly better.

3) Due to vandalism and agenda-pushing; articles on Wiki are not static, but can change daily, even hourly. There is no guarantee that the information you're viewing at any particular moment is accurate, and not the result of changes made shortly prior to viewing. There is also no guarantee that information that may be accurate at the moment will not be altered subsequently.

Oh, remember that experiment I announced a few months back, about those three significant factual errors I have been observing? Guess how many of them have been corrected? (Hint: if guess>0 then guess again.) I also noticed another major error in an article, and corrected it; only to have the article reverted back to it's previous erroneous state. Guess that "infinite monkeys" approach doesn't work as well as the wikivangelists would have us beleive.
 
Britancia has exactly the same real issues as wikipedia when it comes to politics and history.

With respect, I think this is the same claim for which I asked you to provide evidence a half-dozen posts ago. The article you referred me to didn't really address this claim )the comparative accuracy of Brittanica in history/politics) , so I think this still qualifies as "assertion without evidence."
 
What you're not telling, however, is that the study was too flawed to use as a general survey of quality.

1) It focussed only one one very limited field, scientific information, long acknowledged even by detractors as Wiki's strong point.

Evidence?

It's much easier to keep scientific information accurate.

Not it isn't since the stuff keeps changeing.

Other, less precise fields, such as history and sociology, were not tested, and are far more likely to have significant errors due to author agenda and POV, as well as vandalism.

Nah vandalim hits scientific articles as well (particularly dolly the sheep for some reason).

Author agenda is less of a problem than you would think. Something to do with the issue of multiple authors

2) If you read the study, you'll notice that Wiki still had a statistically significant higher number of profound errors, not total errors, than EB. Minor errors were comperable. In EB's case, the number of profound errors are due in large part to recent advances that have invalidated some of the older information. Wiki has not kept up with recent advances significantly better.

Wikipedia is 5 years old. Britanica is over a centry old.

3) Due to vandalism and agenda-pushing; articles on Wiki are not static, but can change daily, even hourly. There is no guarantee that the information you're viewing at any particular moment is accurate, and not the result of changes made shortly prior to viewing. There is also no guarantee that information that may be accurate at the moment will not be altered subsequently.

Fourth tab along is the history tab. It exists for a reason

Oh, remember that experiment I announced a few months back, about those three significant factual errors I have been observing? Guess how many of them have been corrected? (Hint: if guess>0 then guess again.) I also noticed another major error in an article, and corrected it; only to have the article reverted back to it's previous erroneous state.

Details?

Guess that "infinite monkeys" approach doesn't work as well as the wikivangelists would have us beleive.

Dunno we will find out if anyone ever tries the "infinite monkeys" approach.
 
Provide evidence.

Britanica emplooys people who have a reasonable level of knowage of the field. It is to be expected that they are likely to have at least some POV.
 

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