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Fall US Elections

So do the Republican flog the repeal Obamacare to death or do they just give it the old college try, Obama vetoes and then they move on?

It will be interesting to see if Obama sets a veto record.
 
Spindrift said:
So do the Republican flog the repeal Obamacare to death or do they just give it the old college try, Obama vetoes and then they move on?

It will be interesting to see if Obama sets a veto record.
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I doubt Obamacare is going anywhere, though there will be some changes. For starters, repealing the medical device tax, which both sides agree on, and was absolutely stupid to begin with for at least two reasons 1. jobs and 2. (much more important) you're taxing medical stuff, wtf, you want that as cheap as possible*. See also luxury taxing "cadillac" plans. Or taxing any plans as part of "income" for that matter.



* while still keeping the invention rate as high as possible
 
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Ziggurat said:
This was from another thread, but it properly belongs here:



A 20% spread, that was delicious!
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And Louie Gohmert won re-election by something like 60%. What can I say? Texans love to elect drooling idiots to office.
 
Obama is facing two years of lame duckedness. He's going to use a lot of ink on vetoes and if he wants to do anything it'll have to be executive orders, he certainly isn't going to get any bills passed.
 
maxpower1227 said:
And Louie Gohmert won re-election by something like 60%. What can I say? Texans love to elect drooling idiots to office.
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What, you think Wendy Davis is smarter than Greg Abbott? Whatever gave you that idea?
 
Ziggurat said:
What, you think Wendy Davis is smarter than Greg Abbott? Whatever gave you that idea?
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Well she did get a law degree cum laude despite significant financial obstacles to attending college, but I was more referring to Louie Gohmert. A lobotomized frog might be smarter than that bigoted idiot.
 
Spindrift said:
Obama is facing two years of lame duckedness. He's going to use a lot of ink on vetoes and if he wants to do anything it'll have to be executive orders, he certainly isn't going to get any bills passed.
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A lame duck is a politician who has lost a bid for reelection but is still serving out the remainder of a term.
 
From Peggy Noonan's column about the response of Bush to the Democratic takeover of Congress in the 2006 mid-terms:
For those who think Mr. Obama has faced unusual levels of rhetoric, consider this question from a reporter to Mr. Bush:

“Thank you, Mr. President. With all due respect, Nancy Pelosi has called you incompetent, a liar, the emperor with no clothes and, as recently as yesterday, dangerous. How will you work with someone who has such little respect for your leadership and who is third in line to the presidency?”

This is how Mr. Bush replied. “I’ve been around politics a long time. I understand when campaigns end and I know when governing begins. And I’m going to work with people of both parties. You know, look, people say unfortunate things at times. But if you hold grudges in this line of work, you’re never going to get anything done. And my intention is to get some things done, and soon—we’re start visiting with her Friday with the idea of coming together.”
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Does anybody here think that Obama will be similarly gracious? I predict defiance and obstruction, starting with the nomination of a controversial choice of Attorney General before the Senate changes hands and culminating in an illegal executive order granting effective amnesty to illegal aliens.
 
I wonder if the term came form the 'ruptured duck' patch sewn onto veterans uniforms to show that they were discharged? Uniforms were worn in transit home, and then afterwards, when clothing was expensive. I guess it was supposed to be some kind of tired eagle? I don't know when it fell out of favor, but I've seen them on used stuff. Not a pretty badge.
 
Kestrel said:
A lame duck is a politician who has lost a bid for reelection but is still serving out the remainder of a term.
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No. It is usually someone who is finishing a term after someone else has been elected, the politician doesn't have to lose the election, they may not have run. Usually the lame duck period for a president is from November until January at the end of the term. However Obama is going to face an extended lame duck period.
 
sunmaster14 said:
From Peggy Noonan's column about the response of Bush to the Democratic takeover of Congress in the 2006 mid-terms:


Does anybody here think that Obama will be similarly gracious? I predict defiance and obstruction, starting with the nomination of a controversial choice of Attorney General before the Senate changes hands and culminating in an illegal executive order granting effective amnesty to illegal aliens.
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If he does act with defiance and obstruction, he's just using Congress as his model for how to act.
 
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casebro said:
I wonder if the term came form the 'ruptured duck' patch sewn onto veterans uniforms to show that they were discharged? Uniforms were worn in transit home, and then afterwards, when clothing was expensive. I guess it was supposed to be some kind of tired eagle? I don't know when it fell out of favor, but I've seen them on used stuff. Not a pretty badge.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lame_duck_(politics)

The phrase lame duck was coined in the eighteenth century at the London Stock Exchange, to refer to a stockbroker who defaulted on his debts.[4][5] The first known mention of the term in writing was made by Horace Walpole, in a letter of 1761 to Sir Horace Mann: "Do you know what a Bull and a Bear and Lame Duck are?" [6] In 1791 Mary Berry wrote of the Duchess of Devonshire's loss of £50,000 in stocks, "the conversation of the town" that her name was to be "posted up as a lame duck".[7] In the literal sense, it refers to a duck which is unable to keep up with its flock, making it a target for predators.

It was transferred to politicians in the nineteenth century, the first recorded use being in the Congressional Globe (the official record of the United States Congress) of January 14, 1863: “In no event . . . could [the Court of Claims] be justly obnoxious to the charge of being a receptacle of ‘lame ducks’ or broken down politicians.”
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Spindrift said:
If does does act with defiance and obstruction, he's just using Congress as his model for how to act.
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Well, I think it's kind of stupid for a human being to use an institution as a role model, although I'll concede I've never tried it before. Perhaps I should try being more like the New York Stock Exchange.
 
sunmaster14 said:
Well, I think it's kind of stupid for a human being to use an institution as a role model, although I'll concede I've never tried it before. Perhaps I should try being more like the New York Stock Exchange.
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Okay, how about this then:
If he does act with defiance and obstruction, he's just using the Republican members of Congress as his model for how to act.
 
Spindrift said:
Okay, how about this then:
If he does act with defiance and obstruction, he's just using the Republican members of Congress as his model for how to act.
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I can't really comment unless you name certain members. I think that Harry Reid is a good role model for obstructionism, although he's not a Republican, currently.
 
Spindrift said:
No. It is usually someone who is finishing a term after someone else has been elected, the politician doesn't have to lose the election, they may not have run. Usually the lame duck period for a president is from November until January at the end of the term. However Obama is going to face an extended lame duck period.
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Some right wingers described Obama as a lame duck after he won reelection in 2012. Not because it was true, but because it was a colorful insult. The last actual lame duck President was George H. W. Bush after he lost the 1992 election to Clinton.
 
sunmaster14 said:
I can't really comment unless you name certain members. I think that Harry Reid is a good role model for obstructionism, although he's not a Republican, currently.
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Why do I have to name certain members? The Republicans have pretty much acted as a bloc and a block.
 
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