Existence

[RussDill]

A singularity is a realm where there are no distinctions to be made anywhere or anywhen within that realm. Otherwise, it cannot be a singularity.

by your definition, a sigularity is actually nothing.

Reality is not 'nothing'. We can know that an entity or entities has definite being. Something definitely exists and is the source of all known forces and effects.

you are using engilsh definitions to attempt to prove points. Then you just do saying that something is the soure of all known force and effects, which makes no sense of the face of it. There is no need for a source of force and effects. They can just "be". Just as the equations that describe them just "are". No one has to turn the crank. There is no crank.

You say that existence occured at a single point. So do I. The point I see is bounded by a Mind at boundless-singularity.

umm...right. ok, so where did you come up with this evidence? What is this mind made of? By what mechanics does it process information?

By the way, quantum mechanics points to there not being a single point. More of a bowl, less of a cone. Time and space being blurred just as the time and position of particles are blurred as we attempt to look closer and closer at them.

But if you want to believe that existence can be real and enveloped by nothing, then you have alot of explaining to do to me...

really, what is this "mind" enveloped by? If this mind is the something that causes forces, what causes the mind? There is no need to define a bound to reality and assume there is something outside it.

"Unless there is something or nothing to mark the boundary of that sphere's surface, at that surface, then the surface of a sphere cannot even be distinguished. Hence the surface of a sphere (a point can be considered a sphere) has to be enveloped by something or nothing.
And so, since 'nothing' cannot embrace an entity with tangible existence"

ok, since you aren't willing to give up your silly notions, I'll start at the beginning. At the beginning, reality wasn't viewed as a sphere, or a plane, or anything, it just was.

Ecluid came up with this mathmatical description of reality. He assumed that the corners of a triangle would always add up to 180.

Then, someone else thought, what if they don't, what if we live in a reality where the angles don't add up to 180, if they add up to less than or more than that. Its an equally valid asumption. In fact, its been found that this is true in regions of space that have a lot of matter in them (ie, stars, black holes). Living in non-ecludian space is already a reality.

Most people vizualize this space with a rubber mat and weights on it. Its a good tool, however, you have to understand. There is no mat, there is no external force pulling weights down on the mat, it just *is*. Space and time warp around massive objects and it just *does*.

In the same way, if on average, angles on triangles in space add up to greater than 180, we would live in what could be described as a hypersphere. However, there is no hypersphere, again, its just a model, there is no elephant holding up space.

You write down the equations that describe this space, and lo and behold, there is no need for a boundry, or something outside, or a "mind". It just *is*

There is no reason which can support the notion of a real point of existence and enveloped by nothing.

if something envelops existence, its part of existence. Its a logical falacy to say that something can envelop existence. If you describe existence by a single point, then it is, there is no nothing, you described no nothing.

That nothing can be stretched along the sphere's own surface gives life to that nothing. It too becomes something real. Existence has to be boundless because it cannot be embraced by non-existence.

again, the sphere is a model, you only see a boundry because you placed the sphere in an existence with more dimensions than its own. No matter what reality you describe, if I place it in an existence with more dimensions than its own, it will be bounded.

 

[Tricky]

A singularity is a realm where there are no distinctions to be made anywhere or anywhen within that realm. Otherwise, it cannot be a singularity.

Well, then existance is definately not a singularity. Existence is nothing if not diverse. This "truth" does not even pass the test of being internally consistant.

Reality is not 'nothing'. We can know that an entity or entities has definite being. Something definitely

Okay so far.

...and is the source of all known forces and effects.

BZZT! But you blew it in the final inning. You cannot say with any authority what the source of all known forces and effects is. Your conclusion does not follow your premises. Bad logic again.

You say that existence occured at a single point. So do I. The point I see is bounded by a Mind at boundless-singularity.
But if you want to believe that existence can be real and enveloped by nothing, then you have alot of explaining to do to me...

You have a real hang-up on this "enveloped by" stuff. You cannot show that it is enveloped by anything. This is pure speculation on your part base on nothing more than your feeling that it must be. However, if existence started at a single point and continually spreads outward, then it has an edge, ergo, it is bounded. Another key assumption of your scenario is shown to be logically inconsistant.

"Unless there is something or nothing to mark the boundary of that sphere's surface, at that surface, then the surface of a sphere cannot even be distinguished. Hence the surface of a sphere (a point can be considered a sphere) has to be enveloped by something or nothing.
And so, since 'nothing' cannot embrace an entity with tangible existence"

There is no reason which can support the notion of a real point of existence and enveloped by nothing. That nothing can be stretched along the sphere's own surface gives life to that nothing. It too becomes something real. Existence has to be boundless because it cannot be embraced by non-existence.

Or perhaps your mind is just not equipped to handle such a complex notion. You simply cannot grasp the concept of nothingness. You could just as well argue that "zero" does not exist, yet it is an important part of mathmatics. If you wish to check me on this point, solve for X in this equation.
1 - 1 = X