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Merged Euthanasia

Oh well, I should have known a thread where I agreed with applecorped would not end well.
 
kayle said:
really, why are so many upset about this, i don't get it.
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You really don't? Really?

Travis said:
We are in favor of people being forced to live though unrelenting pain now?
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No one's being forced to anything by not being killed.

The point is that she didn't have some extremely painful and debilitating disease that couldn't be cured and that prevented her from doing the deed herself or presented a compelling reason to act. She was in psychological distress. That's no reason to off her.
 
TragicMonkey said:
What if one of a pair of conjoined twins wants euthanasia and the other doesn't?
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What if a self-driving car is about to hit pedestrians and has to choose between co-joined twins -one of whom has expressed the wish to die and the other hasn't- and an old lady with terminal cancer pushing a baby carriage?
What then? How will we program the software to deal with such ethical dilemmas?
 
Eddie Dane said:
What if a self-driving car is about to hit pedestrians and has to choose between co-joined twins -one of whom has expressed the wish to die and the other hasn't- and an old lady with terminal cancer pushing a baby carriage?
What then? How will we program the software to deal with such ethical dilemmas?
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We already know how that would play out: the self-driving car would swerve to hit all four people, then burst into flames. If the car were built by Google it would burst into flames first, then hit the people. If it were built by Apple it would behave the same way but cost 20% more.
 
TragicMonkey said:
We already know how that would play out: the self-driving car would swerve to hit all four people, then burst into flames. If the car were built by Google it would burst into flames first, then hit the people. If it were built by Apple it would behave the same way but cost 20% more.
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:D:thumbsup:
 
Well, it seems to be just an ordinary tragedy. Its likely the only reason it got coverage in the English language news is because they thought it was an extraordinary tragedy.

I am unsuprised that I did not have the full story.
 
I hate things like that where I won't sit here and pretend it doesn't strike me as wrong but I can't actually come up with any functional argument as to what is "wrong" about it.
 
No I mean "If euthanasia is acceptable for a person who will suffer from physical pain for the rest of their life is acceptable, it should be acceptable for people suffering from emotional or mental pain" makes perfect sense to me and "I want to die because I don't think I'll ever get over a trauma" sounds horrible to me even though I understand they are saying essentially the same thing.

I think it's maybe it's because "I feel like the emotional pain is never going to go away" is one of the big things in non-euthanasia suicide cases we fight so hard to counter.

At the end of the day people kill themselves if they think their situation is never going to get better, it's only euthanasia if they are right. And that's hard to unpack at times.
 
JoeMorgue said:
No I mean "If euthanasia is acceptable for a person who will suffer from physical pain for the rest of their life is acceptable, it should be acceptable for people suffering from emotional or mental pain" makes perfect sense to me and "I want to die because I don't think I'll ever get over a trauma" sounds horrible to me even though I understand they are saying essentially the same thing.
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The way I see it, euthanasia is something that should be used when the condition cannot be reversed and is debilitating, or death is imminent anyway. It's end of life care, not assisted suicide. I don't think euthanasia should be done, for instance, in the case of someone in a wheelchair because they feel their life is ruined, or in this apparently-fake case, where it's a traumatic but hopefully transitory psychological state.

At the end of the day people kill themselves if they think their situation is never going to get better
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But suicide is an individual decision, not a state-sanctioned medical procedure.
 
Belz... said:
But suicide is an individual decision, not a state-sanctioned medical procedure.
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Confession.

In most cases I don't get the "assisted" part of assisted suicide. What exactly do (g)you need help with?
 
Belz... said:
The way I see it, euthanasia is something that should be used when the condition cannot be reversed and is debilitating, or death is imminent anyway. It's end of life care, not assisted suicide. I don't think euthanasia should be done, for instance, in the case of someone in a wheelchair because they feel their life is ruined, or in this apparently-fake case, where it's a traumatic but hopefully transitory psychological state.



But suicide is an individual decision, not a state-sanctioned medical procedure.
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Why does there even need to be a state sanctioned medical procedure?

It seems most of the people getting it done could do it the old fashioned way.
 
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