Merged Euthanasia

[Skeptic Ginger]

sorry, in my society you don't tell me or anybody else that i have a life with (maybe) a husband/wife and a child ahead.

really, why are so many upset about this, i don't get it. because 17? 19'd be ok?

The age is only an issue because of the circumstances. If she were 17 with end-stage cancer age would be less relevant.

I'm not sure how I feel about the very old wanting to get it over with. I would have different considerations in those cases.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

no

Then maybe you should quote who you think is arguing that.

 

[Travis]

We are in favor of people being forced to live though unrelenting pain now?

 

[kayle]

When I said, "it was the wrong decision" kayle answered, "by whom and how do you know?"

and you answered -- 'by me'. to be picky, you admitted your decision was wrong ;P

 

[kayle]

Then maybe you should quote who you think is arguing that.

sorry, I amn now lost as to what you are accusing me of.

Generally, it was her life and she took it. Stop making this chicken farm with clucking about how happy she could have become.

 

[kayle]

We are in favor of people being forced to live though unrelenting pain now?

that was irrelevant pain. you should wait for your husband/wife... the webz told so

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

and you answered -- 'by me'. to be picky, you admitted your decision was wrong ;P

How did I say my decision was wrong?

By me, yes, and I posted my rationale including a research citation.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

sorry, I amn now lost as to what you are accusing me of.

Your straw man that you doubled down on.

Generally, it was her life and she took it. Stop making this chicken farm with clucking about how happy she could have become.

You're welcome to your opinion. Hopefully you'll understand when I say you are not in charge of what I post.

 

[abaddon]

It is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I am going to surprise you by agreeing with you. It is all sorts of wrong. This is a minor who was apparently raped at three different occasions as a young teen. 3 years later she gives up and decides to end it all.Somehow all of her advisors/counsellors/therapist/whatever just unanimously decided that this was a valid course of action? I am not buying the notion. And her parents agreed? WTF? I know for a fact that I would sacrifice my own life before any of my own kids. So would every parent I know.

The Netherlands own laws state that a person taking that decision have to be free from mental illness.

I am not familiar with the particular law. Has it anything to say about minors?

This young woman was clearly mentally unbalanced.

Raped three times by the age of 14? That will mess up any kid.

Anorexics do not make well-judged decisions.

Correct.

She had her life ahead of her.

Correct. Or as it turns out sadly not correct because she decided to end it all.

Maybe a husband and children.

Please don't besmirch her tragedy by descending into misogyny.

 

[kayle]

Your straw man that you doubled down on.

You're welcome to your opinion. Hopefully you'll understand when I say you are not in charge of what I post.

what was my strawman?

true, we can have a fight on the internet, and it's great.

 

[kayle]

How did I say my decision was wrong?

By me, yes, and I posted my rationale including a research citation.

you wrote -- the decision was wrong. I asked: by whom -- you wrote: by me. nevermind, not essential.

 

[kayle]

Raped three times by the age of 14? That will mess up any kid.

Correct.

so a person raped three times in childhood will be considered mentally unstable and incapable of deciding to kill themselves? whereas a non-raped person can because they are mentally stable etc?

 

[Elagabalus]

sorry, in my society you don't tell me or anybody else that i have a life with (maybe) a husband/wife and a child ahead.

really, why are so many upset about this, i don't get it. because 17? 19'd be ok?

17 yr. olds have been known to make bad decisions from time to time.

 

[Vixen]

We are in favor of people being forced to live though unrelenting pain now?

Most of us will have experienced excruciating emotional pain. It's anguish and pain, Stürm und drang, especially in our teens when feelings are strong and overwhelming.

But hey, we survive.

 

[lionking]

Am I missing something here? Of course suicides happen, but this case is about state sanctioned and supported suicide. I support euthanasia laws, but with a heap of conditions, one of which is that the person seeking euthanasia has a terminal disease with a short lifespan.

Of course this girl was suffering like many people do. This is tragic. But for the state to endorse and support her death in these circumstances is wrong. This, thankfully, would never happen where I live.

 

[Porpoise of Life]

so a person raped three times in childhood will be considered mentally unstable and incapable of deciding to kill themselves? whereas a non-raped person can because they are mentally stable etc?

It's the ultimate solution...
People can legally end their lives, but people who would want to end their lives are obviously crazy so they can't be trusted to make decisions like that, and we never have to euthanize anyone without a late stage terminal illness.

 

[Vixen]

so a person raped three times in childhood will be considered mentally unstable and incapable of deciding to kill themselves? whereas a non-raped person can because they are mentally stable etc?

Fact is, statistics show that an astonishing number of women will have experienced rape, sexual assault and unwanted attention.

I don't see that it should be a rational grounds for euthanasia. The shame is with the perpetrator/s not the victim.

 

[wasapi]

I worked for a rape crisis center for a few years. Heard horrific details of childhood rape survivors. I believe there was more then that tormenting her. However, I have lived in that pit of depression myself. And survived. This never should have happened.

 

[p0lka]

These are retrospective studies. I don't understand your question.

I was questioning your statement below

By me and it's because I know depression is treatable and people who survive suicide attempts almost always are glad they did later on.

If people who survive suicide attempts are almost always glad they did, then why do mental health professions tend to see 1 suicide attempt as a potential warning sign for a second attempt?
If people are 'almost always' glad they survived, wouldn't it follow that they would be unlikely to try it again?

 

[p0lka]

This is a minor

Was she though? Becoming an adult happens at different ages in different places.