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Euthanasia - Murder Trial

There are cases where the defendant, despite strong evidence that the person is guilty has been found not guilty by the jury. This has happened not because the jury being stupid but because the defendant did not deserve to go to jail.

I think it is known as a "perverse verdict".
 
Great news!

The Justices hearing the case have managed to change the charge from murder to attempted murder, so now, even if found guilty, he doesn't have to do jail time.


This is the first time in NZ's history that a murder charge brought by the Crown has been discharged at deposition. Hope the Justice Dep't doesn't appeal, but it appears that the pathologist's report gives the escape from the murder charge.

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It might encourage other pathologists to write their reports in the same fashion. Can only hope.

The bolded part confuses me.

Do you not have jail time for attempted murder in New Zealand?:confused:
 
Only hope they do not do another pathologist's report and get a different result.

Highly unlikely. Now that the JPs have tossed the charge out, getting another pathologist to revisit the case would smack of persecution.

The bolded part confuses me.

Do you not have jail time for attempted murder in New Zealand?:confused:

Not if it's an Aussie!

:bgrin:

(Although I think there's a punishment for failing.)

Other than Australians, yes, jail time would be pretty much guaranteed. The judge has a lot more discretion than with a murder conviction and could easily hand out a two-year sentence, and then the bloke can then apply for home detention. In his case, it would be unlikely to be refused.

A lot will depend on the judge. Let's hope he doesn't get a Catholic one.
 
This is a joke, right? The woman was in pain and was going to die anyway. A quick death is more merciful than a slow painful death.

Not your choice. The evidence that is was her choice is kinda biased.
 
Highly unlikely. Now that the JPs have tossed the charge out, getting another pathologist to revisit the case would smack of persecution.



Not if it's an Aussie!

:bgrin:

(Although I think there's a punishment for failing.)

Other than Australians, yes, jail time would be pretty much guaranteed. The judge has a lot more discretion than with a murder conviction and could easily hand out a two-year sentence, and then the bloke can then apply for home detention. In his case, it would be unlikely to be refused.

A lot will depend on the judge. Let's hope he doesn't get a Catholic one.

Ah, ok, I think it makes sense now.
 
Not your choice. The evidence that is was her choice is kinda biased.

That's the big problem with all euthanasia debate - just because someone is writhing in agony doesn't mean he/she would like to be put down. I can fully understand it, however. Plus, I don't know the bloke well, but I do know him enough to have no doubts that he was being compassionate, in his own mind. His mum may well have asked him to do it at some stage, or with both sisters there as well, it may have been decided as a family. Christ knows.

I talked about taking the medicinal way out with my old man, who died of cancer, but he managed to tough out the pain sufficiently to live at home right to the bitter end and had no intention of taking an early exit.
 
There are cases where the defendant, despite strong evidence that the person is guilty has been found not guilty by the jury. This has happened not because the jury being stupid but because the defendant did not deserve to go to jail.

I think it is known as a "perverse verdict".

There was a famous case in the 1850s in Ballarat in the Victoria. 13 people were put on trial for high treason for an 'incident' that claimed several lives, including 4 police. Not only were they all found not guilty, but one of them (Peter Lalor) had a successful political career afterwards.

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Not your choice. The evidence that is was her choice is kinda biased.

If his mother was able to communicate, she should of course be asked, but I don't see why anyone should be forced to die a slow death instead of a quick one. Clearly he should have gotten some evidence from her to protect himself, but if it's a matter of assisted suicide, I think that should be allowed. There should be a legal space for this, I believe. The fact that we euthanize animals indicates to me that it is common sense that a quick death is more merciful than a slow death. If a person is capable of choosing we should defer to their wishes. If not, and if they are terminally ill and suffering, then it seems to me that it is the same as with a terminally ill animal.
 

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