EEK! Intelligent Design has Evolved!

[drzeus99]

Not that clever, (un)fortunately. I think that this can and will backfire badly for the creationists. One of the key aspects of nearly every court case post-"creationism" has been a discussion of why the theory of evolution, in particular, is singled out for particular discussion, examination, and criticism. The courts have uniformly held that this is evidence in support of the religious purpose behind the Wedge, which is sufficient to invalidate whatever silly measures they propose."

Exactly!

The more attempts they make, the further it will solidify that argument.

I say, let them keep trying. Each addition bitch slapping they get will solidify evolution in science class.


Cheers,
DrZ

 

[CapelDodger]

No, I'm not opposed to CE in principle - but it strikes me that the ID version of CE is completely spurious. As an example, Check this (long) thread on another forum of which I am a member. In particular, notice how Asyncritus points out what he considers as "problems" with evolution, and notice how he completely ignores everything I and others say when we start applying CE to his own claims.

Another cookie-cutter creatinist by the look of it (shudder). The thing is, of course, creationists won't be able to prevent CE being turned on their ideas - indeed, on all ideas, including religion itself. That's the irony they don't seem to "do" .

 

[arthwollipot]

Another cookie-cutter creatinist by the look of it (shudder). The thing is, of course, creationists won't be able to prevent CE being turned on their ideas - indeed, on all ideas, including religion itself. That's the irony they don't seem to "do" .

But their own theories are immune to CE! That's the whole point. Because they're based on faith and dogma instead of evidence and observation, any creationist can counter any CE simply by saying "but I believe it to be so".

Worse, any attack on this stance could be considered to be religious disrespect.

Ealier this year in the Australian Senate, the leader of the Greens party Bob Brown stood up and tried to get agreement for an investigation into the political activities of the Exclusive Brethren. He was shouted down by every other senator except those in his own party. The religious discrimination card was not only repeatedly played, it was thrown in his face. The amount of fervour generated by what I thought was a quite reasonable request was stunning. And this was in Australia, not the USA.

The same fervour could be easily directed against any attempt to critically examine religous belief.

 

[ponderingturtle]

So the IDers have now adopted the 'just asking questions' approach.

Who would have guessed that creationists would evolve into truthers?

I think they have more in common with holocaust deniers. When are they going to want that controversy taught in school as well?

 

[CapelDodger]

But their own theories are immune to CE! That's the whole point. Because they're based on faith and dogma instead of evidence and observation, any creationist can counter any CE simply by saying "but I believe it to be so".

Absolutely, but cretinists are going to have an impossible task constructing an argument for CE in principle but only in certain "rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty" (to quote Douglas Adams's philosophers)

Worse, any attack on this stance could be considered to be religious disrespect.

(Personally I prefer to get straight onto the religious disrespect, but that's just me.)

I don't doubt there'd be such a claim, but that claim isn't in itself religious and so could be subject to CE regardless - and the hypocrisy will stand out in that spotlight. I think we sometimes lose sight of just how wicked a weapon critical thinking is, and it's one that's forsworn by religion. When people try to use it in that cause the results are ugly (in an amusing sort of way).

 

[CapelDodger]

I think they have more in common with holocaust deniers. When are they going to want that controversy taught in school as well?

When they conclude that the Rapture's being held up by those recalcitrant Jews who refuse to go back to Israel. When Christian Zionists (and there's a big overlap with cretinists) start talking about forcible relocation of Jews to bring it on, the Holocaust analogy will be centre-stage.

 

[UnrepentantSinner]

Intelligent Falling.

One of these days I need to put together a suitible explanation of Intelligent Raining.