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Edward Felt Flight 93

Carll68

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I need some assistance. I am searching with no success for either 9-11 emergency call transcripts or audio from Fl 93, specifically Ed Felt's call to John Shaw at the Westmorland County 9/11.

I understand that Glenn Cramer reported to the AP - which was widely reported - reading from a transcript, that Mr. Felt mentioned a white puff of smoke and an explosion.

Is this audio available as well?

I also know that Mr Shaw took the call, and stated that there was no mention of an explosion, according to his reports. I understand that also when interviewed, the family members of Mr. Felt who heard the call, state there was no mention of an explosion.

I see the CVR is inconsistent with an explosion at 9:58. The FDR is also.

My concern is over a coworker of mine, who insists he heard - on the radio - a call from Flight 93 that stated there was white smoke and an explosion. I know this was Cramers report...that there were no calls to Radio stations, and that they did not release the 9-1-1 calls at that time. Quite simply, I am looking to show him both what he heard, and the actual call.

Any and all help is appreciated.
 
Thank you. That is perfect. I must be horrible at searching...could not find anything all morning.

I am also looking for Shaws report to the A.P. - to show him what he DID hear.

Thanks again...
 
I do believe that was based on a news article which stated that one person who worked at the 9/11 recalled such details. IIRC others at the 9/11 station and the Felt family have said such things were not said.

TAM:)
 
T.A.M.

Thank you for the reply. Mr.Herbert provided me with the actual call transcript which confirms that Mr. Felt never mentioned white smoke or an explosion.

Now I am looking to uncover either the actual audio of what was said by Mr. Cramer to the A.P. regarding the explosion/smoke, or the transcript, in order to contrast with him what he did hear versus what was actually said.

Does anyone possess any additional insight as to why Mr Cramer erroneously stated "Smoke and explosion"? Has he ever mentioned his reason for this faux pas?
 
Excellent T.A.M. :-) The hammer that drives the nail home is the actual call transcripts presented earlier.

Are there any links or information such as an audio file specific to the A.P. story that was heard--the one where Glen Cramer stated Mr. Felt said there was smoke and an explosion? This interests me for contrast purposes.

Being pro-active:

Does anyone have any insight as to why Mr. Cramer made these erroneous claims, i.e., has he ever mentioned it?

Also, in the call transcript, Mr Felt mentions they are above Mt.Pleasant while calling from an airplane lavoratory. Any indication how he knew where they were from 5000 ft in a lavoratory?

Thank You
 
Carll68 said:
I need some assistance. I am searching with no success for either 9-11 emergency call transcripts or audio from Fl 93, specifically Ed Felt's call to John Shaw at the Westmorland County 9/11.

I understand that Glenn Cramer reported to the AP - which was widely reported - reading from a transcript, that Mr. Felt mentioned a white puff of smoke and an explosion.

Is this audio available as well?

I also know that Mr Shaw took the call, and stated that there was no mention of an explosion, according to his reports. I understand that also when interviewed, the family members of Mr. Felt who heard the call, state there was no mention of an explosion.

I see the CVR is inconsistent with an explosion at 9:58. The FDR is also.

My concern is over a coworker of mine, who insists he heard - on the radio - a call from Flight 93 that stated there was white smoke and an explosion. I know this was Cramers report...that there were no calls to Radio stations, and that they did not release the 9-1-1 calls at that time. Quite simply, I am looking to show him both what he heard, and the actual call.

Any and all help is appreciated.
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carl,

Thanks for opening a thread on Edward Felt. There is a lot of interest in finding out what can be found out about him. Do you consider all your questions to be answered now, or are you interested in further cooperative investigation and discussion?
 
I have no questions remaining about WHAT OCCURRED on September 11th, 2001, when 19 highly educated, motivated and well funded terrorists boarded 4 commercial airliners, hijacking them. I have no questions as to why 3 of the 4 flights offered little to no effective resistance considering they were faced with armed men, threating to kill more crew and/or passenger and/or detonate the psuedo bomb they had - especially considering the threat that if they (the victims) cooperated, all would end safely.

In fact, I have details, backed up by evidence, to support my answers.

However, it was a co-worker - who made the claim that Flight 93 was shot down. After I conveyed to him that all the evidence contradicts this claim, he mentioned the phone call he heard on the radio from a passenger talking about smoke and an explosion..LIVE.

Now, we all know that this can not and is not true. There were no calls to a radio station from FL93, Radio stations do not broadcast live 9-1-1- calls, and no 9-1-1 calls were played.

Knowing this, I investigated further and found that he was referencing Mr. Edward Helm. Mr. Helms transcripts are above. He never stated he heard an explosion or saw smoke. However, Mr. Crammer, his supervisor who did not take the call, did.

So, yes, all my questions are and have been answered, and they all support what really happened on that fateful day in September 2001.......and Jet Engine parts are still not Plymouth Wheel Covers, and thermite still does not react horizontally on a vertical plane.

In an effort to be proactive, I have inquired as to the location of Mr. Crammers' report to the A.P. that was broadcast on 9/11, for contrast purposes. I also would like to hear what others know - to confirm what I think - regarding how in the call transcripts Mr. Helm knew at 5000ft he was over Mt.Pleasant. Perhaps he knew before he went into the bathroom. Perhaps this information was gathered in another way. Whatever and however he gained it, it was gained.

Intelligent discussion and thoughts will not be ignored. Idiotic claims based on unfounded speculation will.
 
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We know what happened to poor Mr. Felt,except Jammonious who is still mired in his 9/11 fantasy world.
 
Carll68 said:
in the call transcript, Mr Felt mentions they are above Mt.Pleasant while calling from an airplane lavoratory. Any indication how he knew where they were from 5000 ft in a lavoratory?
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Felt doesn't say that, his quote is "I don't know where the plane is at". It's the 911 operator who says "Mt Pleasant", and that was based on another witness report they'd just received (read the rest of the 9/11 Commission file for the details).
 
jammonius said:
carl,

Thanks for opening a thread on Edward Felt. There is a lot of interest in finding out what can be found out about him. Do you consider all your questions to be answered now, or are you interested in further cooperative investigation and discussion?
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Why would we need to know anything more about the man?

Wait, let me guess, some investigoogler dug up that his brother was a former CIA operative or some such irrelevant crap like that?

TAM:)
 
jammonius said:
carl,

Thanks for opening a thread on Edward Felt. There is a lot of interest in finding out what can be found out about him. Do you consider all your questions to be answered now, or are you interested in further cooperative investigation and discussion?
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Makes you wonder why you didnt open a thread on this topic yourself. Now is your chance to clarify the 'tidbits' of information you mention in an earlier thread. The floor is now yours to cooperate in a discussion.

I will open the discussion for you. ED Felts boarded 93. He made calls from 93. His DNA was found at the crash site. A coroner confirmed his DNA. He hasnt been seen or heard from since. His family held a funeral. He is officialy named as a victim of a terrorist attack.

Over to you.

What do you say happened to Ed Felts?
 
Jackanory said:
Makes you wonder why you didnt open a thread on this topic yourself. Now is your chance to clarify the 'tidbits' of information you mention in an earlier thread. The floor is now yours to cooperate in a discussion.

I will open the discussion for you. ED Felts boarded 93. He made calls from 93. His DNA was found at the crash site. A coroner confirmed his DNA. He hasnt been seen or heard from since. His family held a funeral. He is officialy named as a victim of a terrorist attack.

Over to you.

What do you say happened to Ed Felts?
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No "s".
 
Jackanory said:
Makes you wonder why you didnt open a thread on this topic yourself. Now is your chance to clarify the 'tidbits' of information you mention in an earlier thread. The floor is now yours to cooperate in a discussion.

I will open the discussion for you. ED Felts boarded 93. He made calls from 93. His DNA was found at the crash site. A coroner confirmed his DNA. He hasnt been seen or heard from since. His family held a funeral. He is officialy named as a victim of a terrorist attack.

Over to you.

What do you say happened to Ed Felts?
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Well Jammonious?
 
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