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E-ballot security

Bubba

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by Bubba

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His (Stephen Spoonamore) presentation is authoritative and compelling. For one thing, a comparator was discovered in the program patch where the manufacturer, Diebold, said it was a clock. There is no need for a comparator in a voting device.

by Jay Utah
And you say this from your vast experience in designing and building secure computing machinery?

IIRC, you disapprove of begged questions. Nonetheless...

I'd gladly defer to your superior experience, were you to demonstrate further or prior interest/experience in the issue of protecting the world from e ballot fraud, in the case of Ohio 04.

I'd not be surprised if Spoonamore was on to something.

I defer to your expertise as a skeptic and a computer guy/engineer.

What have you found?

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Why was the other thread closed after I raised this 04 election e-fraud issue ?

My replies often seem to be relatively ignored, mostly.
 
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What else might be called into question if Spoonamore's assertions were well founded?

..and who would need to certify?
 
I'd not be surprised if Spoonamore was on to something.

All your arguments amount to no more than this degree of innuendo. What did you do to determine whether or not your singular doomsayer had a leg to stand on before you trumpeted his findings? Didn't you tell us you carefully sifted various sources before alighting on the one you felt was most trustworthy?

Describe your sifting process in this case, including the various other sources you consulted to, perhaps, give another side to the story.

What have you found?

That you latch onto whatever sensational nonsense attracts your attention, do no homework, profess knowledge of things you know nothing about, and then backpedal when finally made to see your error.
 
by Jay Utah
And you say this from your vast experience in designing and building secure computing machinery?

I respect and appreciate your expertise. What is your opinion re Spoonamore's presentation, the Ohio federal judge, etc regarding the 04 Ohio e-ballot issue please?
 
You, not I, are qualified to answer those questions you asked of me.

I will not play your game.

If the integrity of our election system is more important than exposing my limitations, do proceed with that game.

Otherwise, please demonstrate which is more important.

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If the integrity of our election system is more important than exposing my limitations, do proceed with that game.

Correction:

If the integrity of our election system is less important than exposing my limitations, do proceed with that game.
 
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Please see I wish not always to clash. Sometimes I'd prefer to see members apply minds to issues not resolved, without bickering, partisan or otherwise.
 
Re-post of post #6 (edited) because important:

You, not I, are qualified to answer those questions you asked of me.

I will not play your game.

If exposing my limitations is more important than the integrity of our election system, do proceed with that game.

Otherwise, please demonstrate which is more important.
 
Bear in mind thread title is E-ballot security.

You, Jay, are an expert, to some degree, far more than I am.
 
My impression is you, Jay, are not partisan, as an expert.

I trusted the same of Spoonamore. Is that inadvisable, per your expertise?
 
Beyond partisan-ism I would like to know, where are other members on this issue ?
 
I have a question that perhaps some expert on electronic voting machines could answer.

Is there any reason why a voting machine could not be set up at the last minute to randomly decide which party lines go to which counters?

If you're afraid, as some people seem to be, that dishonest electronic machines might dump votes, it would be a bad bet to have them do so if one can never know which votes are being dumped.

You can't add votes practically, because the poll checking process is too well organized for that. I don't know any place where every voter is not checked off against a paper list, and the overall count of ballots cannot exceed the number of voters who appear.

Back when I worked the polls in Connecticut, we had a rigid two party system, in which every vote was checked on the lists of both parties, and the mechanical voting machines counted the number of entries as well. The total votes for any candidate could be, and often were, less than the total, since one is not obligated to vote for anyone, but they could never be more.

The machines were also double checked for operation before the election, to make sure that they were counting correctly.

Because the party levers and lines were always in the same order (Democrats had the top lever), there was still some room for fraud in losing the count for one party or the other, but it was small, and as far as I can see, the problem of line familiarity that dictated this for mechanical machines could easily be addressed by allowing a variety of connections in an electronic machine.

Here in small town Vermont, we use paper ballots. Every voter is counted going in, handed ballots, observed putting them in the boxes, and counted on the way out. Fraud would require considerable collusion between all the poll workers.

Now electronic machines have some possibility for skulduggery that the old fashioned ones do not, but it seems as if one ought to be able to control that pretty easily.
 
Then on what authority did you claim a comparator is not appropriate to a voting machine?

Jay,

I respect your stuff.

Bail out.

This e- ballot fraud thing will capsize your world.

I am here to help, but I wont until you ask .


You must find your own way in the new world of deception.

Good luck.
 
Then on what authority did you claim a comparator is not appropriate to a voting machine?

Because I know you are so sharp and so intelligent, I cannot believe you would post such a pathetiic question.
 
Jay,

I respect your stuff.

Bail out.

This e- ballot fraud thing will capsize your world.

I am here to help, but I wont until you ask .


You must find your own way in the new world of deception.

Good luck.

Bluster is not an argument. And you really don't respect your critics, as evidenced by your assiduous avoidance of their questions. And "this e-ballot fraud thing" is just the latest in a whole long string of failed attempts on your part to argue a conspiracy theory that you know nothing about. I don't need your help, nor do I believe are you capable of providing any.

Now answer my questions.
 
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Comparator?
U Kidding JU?


Then on what authority did you claim a comparator is not appropriate to a voting machine?[


Seriously , engineer/computer/nasa engineer/computer/expert/patriotic/constitionunal/mooncrapbustin/ skepIic


If I have mis-construed you as a nasa/engineer/computer/nasa/engineer/computer/expert/patriotic/constitutional/republic/patriotic american....I apologize and humbly request correction per your . I mean that lovingly, and most seriously.
 

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