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Double Tree Video Released?

I know. Here in Canada we have the same problem. People want access to everything and anything. This is regardless of whether or not they have the foggiest idea of what the information means.

I do not disagree with transparency, I believe it keeps govts more honest, but I mean some of the things that get asked for is simply assinine.

I would like someone to post a bigger pic, or link to one, that clearly shows the hotle in relation to the Pentagon and the Citgo.

TAM
 
Perhaps they have released them back to their rightful owners, or perhaps they are keeping them for evidence for the KSM trial or the "Ramzi Binalshibh" trial.

TAM
 
uk_dave said:
You're all missing the most important thing!!

My mate dylan avery posted this on his forum....

Now this clearly shows the shadow of the alien mothership in the top right corner....
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I can see it!

The CT guys will use this and say the video has been edited and ignore the fact the hotel is below the Highway which is looking down on the Pentagon.
 
Dazed said:
Agreed, my point is just that, knowing that the videos are all more or less worthless, the FBI's refusal to release them without a struggle breeds conspiracy theories.
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At this point, anything the government does or doesn't do will breed conspiracy theories. CTers will not let go of their pet theories no matter the evidence.

I do not believe the government is required to dispell their fantasies.

-Gumboot
 
Dazed said:
Agreed, my point is just that, knowing that the videos are all more or less worthless, the FBI's refusal to release them without a struggle breeds conspiracy theories.
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I very much disagree with this line of thinking.

While the videos in question may pertain no data that is relevant to the events of 9/11, this does not make them "worthless"

Someone intending to do harm to the Pentagon in the future would love for the U.S. Government to release all of the surveillance footage (or at least the footage from the Pentagon cameras).

This would provide those which intend harm data that they do not currently possess.

At the end of the day, the U.S. government cares about national security. It doesn't give two poos about what Do Over Dylan and the rest of the twoofers think.
 
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As has been suggested, it looks to me also like the very fast object tracking left-right past the van on the highway is the aircraft - whatever it is is VERY fast, light-coloured, and its merge with the location of the Pentagon pretty much coincides with the bloom of the explosion.

But what do I know- is there any professional commentary on what this video shows as yet?
 
TheGrunion said:
I very much disagree with this line of thinking.

While the videos in question may pertain no data that is relevant to the events of 9/11, this does not make them "worthless"

Someone intending to do harm to the Pentagon in the future would love for the U.S. Government to release all of the surveillance footage (or at least the footage from the Pentagon cameras).

This would provide those which intend harm data that they do not currently possess.

At the end of the day, the U.S. government cares about national security. It doesn't give two poos about what Do Over Dylan and the rest of the twoofers think.
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I think I disagree with that. Any "data" that those videos might show can just as readily be obtained from google maps, or even a little old fashioned reconnoiter.
 
Dazed said:
I think I disagree with that. Any "data" that those videos might show can just as readily be obtained from google maps, or even a little old fashioned reconnoiter.
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The "data" that I am referring to is the location of Pentagon surveillance cameras.
 
Dazed said:
Agreed, my point is just that, knowing that the videos are all more or less worthless, the FBI's refusal to release them without a struggle breeds conspiracy theories.
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It's given as an excuse, but I don't think it's a valid one: Governments just like to keep hold of information, it's how they are. Doesn't actually mean the particular information they're holding onto has any value at all.

Here in the UK, for instance, we're approaching a yearly event re: Government secrecy. Every New Year they finally release documents to the public that have been witheld for 30 years, and the new year papers run stories on whatever pops up. Is there ever anything important? Almost always not: it's some long-forgotten political or foreign policy things that could have been made available 20 years ago, at least, and no-one would have cared.

Of course the FOIA law in the US has more teeth than ours, but I think the same thing applies. Governments don't want to set a precedent by releasing lots of information on anything, most probably because that would make it obvious when they really DID want to cover anything up. Plus they know it wouldn't make any difference: if your audience believes that video and photographic evidence is faked, and Government documents contain lies, then releasing videos, photographs and Government documents isn't going to persuade them of anything.
 
Big Les said:
As has been suggested, it looks to me also like the very fast object tracking left-right past the van on the highway is the aircraft - whatever it is is VERY fast, light-coloured, and its merge with the location of the Pentagon pretty much coincides with the bloom of the explosion.

But what do I know- is there any professional commentary on what this video shows as yet?
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Very interesting. I'm really interested to see the higher rez video when it comes out. That could be the plane...hmm..
 
The "data" that I am referring to is the location of Pentagon surveillance cameras.
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Okay, well then yes, in that case I agree with you. But that doesn't apply to the public cameras. We don't know that the remaining 82 unreleased videos are, but I doubt all 82 of them are Pentagon security cameras, we know that civilian footage was confiscated (citgo, doubletree) and I'd bet that there's more of it in that list of 82.

Further, the original video, plus the second video released, were both pentagon security cameras..
 
Dazed said:
:P

So this video equates to absolutely nothing, in terms of evidence.

So I guess my question is... why was this worthless black and white blurred **** secretly withheld from the American public for 5+ years, and would still be locked up in a DOJ filing cabinet were it not for the court order?

What about the other 80+ videos? Why is all this stuff locked up in secret if it shows dick all?

ETA: Especially when you realize that had these not been confiscated in the first place, or at the very least, immediately released after their content was verified by the FBI, the pentagon conspiracy theories would not have a leg to stand on.
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They have a leg to stand on in any case? I would just like to repeat that these are all low speed security cams, they would not reveal anything if all 80of them were trained right on the exact spot, they are not designed for such a purpose.
 
MikeW said:
It's given as an excuse, but I don't think it's a valid one: Governments just like to keep hold of information, it's how they are. Doesn't actually mean the particular information they're holding onto has any value at all.

Here in the UK, for instance, we're approaching a yearly event re: Government secrecy. Every New Year they finally release documents to the public that have been witheld for 30 years, and the new year papers run stories on whatever pops up. Is there ever anything important? Almost always not: it's some long-forgotten political or foreign policy things that could have been made available 20 years ago, at least, and no-one would have cared.

Of course the FOIA law in the US has more teeth than ours, but I think the same thing applies. Governments don't want to set a precedent by releasing lots of information on anything, most probably because that would make it obvious when they really DID want to cover anything up. Plus they know it wouldn't make any difference: if your audience believes that video and photographic evidence is faked, and Government documents contain lies, then releasing videos, photographs and Government documents isn't going to persuade them of anything.
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There are tons of documents going through the declassification process all the time and there's nothing sinister about them. A priority on refuting CT theories is not a big one. One of these days I'll have to post some interesting info on my interview with a former NARA librarian. Its only a matter of time before the rest of these video get released.
 
Kent1 said:
Very interesting. I'm really interested to see the higher rez video when it comes out. That could be the plane...hmm..
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Yes, the more I watch it the more it seems likely. I took a screen grab.

I think its possible that the circled object is the tail fin. It could just as easily be a car on the highway though.
 

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Dazed said:
Yes, the more I watch it the more it seems likely. I took a screen grab.

I think its possible that the circled object is the tail fin. It could just as easily be a car on the highway though.
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I think what's more interesting is that you also have a dark smear trailing along at the same speed just behind that white you circled. Maybe that dark smear is the tail?
 
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Dazed said:
Okay, well then yes, in that case I agree with you. But that doesn't apply to the public cameras. We don't know that the remaining 82 unreleased videos are, but I doubt all 82 of them are Pentagon security cameras, we know that civilian footage was confiscated (citgo, doubletree) and I'd bet that there's more of it in that list of 82.

Further, the original video, plus the second video released, were both pentagon security cameras..
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I've already agreed that this doesn't apply to the public cameras.

If you read this carefully, you should be able to get a good feel for the contents of the 85 videos.

http://www.pentagonresearch.com/121.html

I'm guessing that 56 show nothing meaningful whatsoever. I would think these include whatever privately owned tapes were swept up, plus whatever may have been picked up from Arlington Nation Cemetary, plus Pentagon cameras pointed outward from the Pentagon (or towards other buildings on the reservation). The Doubletree tape probably technically falls into this category.

Based on the wording used, the next 29 are most likely static cameras on or in the Pentagon, trained on areas that were not impacted by the incident.

I believe the next 12 are tapes that were created to document the damage caused by the incident.

I don't believe that there is a significant volume of private tapes being held on to by the U.S. Government.
 
I tend to agree with you, I just think that the public should have full access to them, as part of the historical and official record of that day, and its silly that they weren't all released at once 4 years ago, at least, the 56 that show "nothing meaningful whatsoever." I can totally respect national security concerns, but those clearly aren't the issue with footage such as this doubletree video. It seems like they sat on it for 5 years, and abused FOIA loopholes, to keep it from being released, and I can't think of any real reason for that.

Most people here are just like "It's the government's way." But I don't think that's a good answer.
 
I think after looking at the video again, you may be right. the first object does seem to end at the pentagon. Gumboot, i think the object you see persist, is actually the truck on the highway which comes through the smoke just after the crash.

TAM
 
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