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Does the Shroud of Turin Show Expected Elongation of the Head in 2D?"

Over the centuries, many Christians have denied Christ's Jewishness, pausing
their chants of "Hep! Hep!" to cry, "We got the Nails 'n the Cross 'n the Thorns
'n even the Shred, I mean Shroud! The yids got nutten! Not even a foreskin! Gloria in
Excelsior! Gittem!" God, hearing them, was first saddened, and then provoked. He
caused the Inexhaustible Prepuce to exist, at that moment (about 9th century AD? sounds right) and
backward and forward in time, until His Holy Church possessed fully a metric
ton of foreskins! DNA intact, 100% kosher Jewish ends, ready to refute the
deniers from here to Amageddon!

Did I tell it right, bobdredge?
 
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sackett said:
Over the centuries, many Christians have denied Christ's Jewishness, pausing
their chants of "Hep! Hep!" to cry, "We got the Nails 'n the Cross 'n the Thorns
'n even the Shred, I mean Shroud! The yids got nutten! Not even a foreskin! Gloria in
Excelsior! Gittem!" God, hearing them, was first saddened, and then provoked. He
caused the Inexhaustible Prepuce to exist, at that moment (about 9th century AD? sounds right) and
backward and forward in time, until His Holy Church possessed fully a metric
ton of foreskins! DNA intact, 100% kosher Jewish ends, ready to refute the
deniers from here to Amageddon!

Did I tell it right, bobdredge?
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Nope, I don't think so. I don't believe there is a God. Nor do I believe time travel is possible.
 
erwinl said:
Thanks!
Then I had the correct holes in mind, when asking my questions. Always nice to know.
Never noticed these before on the Turin Shroud, by the way.

I'm curious what the thoughts of bobdroege7 in these are.
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It might be nice if someone had documentation that the pattern of four holes were from the 1536 fire.

The four holes being different from the triangular burn marks made by the silver melted from the 1536 fire.
 
catsmate said:
Also, the image in the Pray Codex rather obviously isn't a shroud. Likewise the 'Three Marys' image doesn't match the burns on the Lirey cloth particularly well, even after "adjustments".

Allow me to illustrate matters:
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The Pray Codex matches the shroud in three observations, both the shroud and the Pray Codex have the l-shaped pattern of holes, the herring bone pattern on one side and the cross shaped pattern on the reverse, just like you can see if you look closely at the Raes sample.
 
bobdroege7 said:
The Pray Codex matches the shroud in three observations, both the shroud and the Pray Codex have the l-shaped pattern of holes, the herring bone pattern on one side and the cross shaped pattern on the reverse, just like you can see if you look closely at the Raes sample.
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*looks at image of man on the Turin Shroud*

*looks at no image on the Pray Codex*

*looks at bobdroege7*
 
erwinl said:
That L shaped pattern of 4 holes (we're talking about the hole next to the thigh and hip of the person, aren't we?

What is you explanation that the length of those holes in all 4 of the patterns, is exactly in line with the other burn marks from the fire, if they weren't caused by that fire?
Additionally, assuming you're right, why do you think the makers of the Pray Codex would find this pattern so much more important than the projection of Jezus himself, given that they did go through the trouble of drawing a piece of cloth on top/next to the supposed shroud on the Codex?
Lastly. Given that the L shape of the 4 patterns is very obviously oriented length wise on the shroud of Turin, why is that same L shaped pattern (only one in that case) oriented to the width of the 'shroud' in the Pray Codex, if these are the same pattern holes?

Maybe you have answered these questions before, but I couldn't find that answer, so would be grateful to hear your thoughts concerning this.
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The image as seen on the shroud would be extremely difficult to draw on the Pray Codex, because it is difficult to draw on a 4 meter by 1 meter linen cloth.

Whingeing about the lack of an image on the Pray Codex is just that, whingeing. And no, I never mentioned that because it should be obvious that you don't get the evidence you want, just the evidence that exists.
 
Darat said:
First of all, which is the "real" Bible?
Secondly given your demonstrated lack of knowledge of the "real Bible" I hope you will understand why I view your claims about what is "....true, correct and contemporaneous as any of the books....." with some suspicion.



Compared to claiming an atypical cloth from Jesus' burial survived unmentioned for over a thousand years?

I know of many of the routes that were followed over the centuries. Is there a particular one you think is somehow relevant?
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Either the Septuagint in Greek or the Vulgate in Latin.

Obviously I have claimed that the shroud has been mentioned between the attempted crucifixion and the display of the shroud in the 14th century.

What routes of what are you talking about?
 
catsmate said:
Sigh. You're the one desperately relying on the Big Book of Bronze Age Fairy Tales to support your worldview.

Yes. Far better than you I suspect.

None of which in any way addresses the question, but that's to be expected from @bobdroege7.....
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Nope, I am relying on little books of bronze age fairy tales that didn't make it into the bible.

And you don't seem to understand what I mean when I say "as true"
 
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JayUtah said:
No it’s not like a quality control process. I covered this thoroughly.
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No you did not, and still don't have a clue as to how to perform carbon dating with multiple samples.

Damon et al thought homogeneity was important, that's why the Chi^2 test is in their paper.

Suck it up and learn something.
 
turingtest said:
The point you're missing is that you don't have any evidence for when these "burn marks" were produced either, and you are the one who needs that evidence for them to prove anything. You can't say that they are "documented" as being the same as the ones on the Shroud when that is what you are trying to prove. You've put yourself in the position of claiming that these "burn marks" on the Pray Codex are evidence for it being the same thing as the Shroud and predating it, and your evidence that they even are burn marks is that they match the marks on the Shroud. As I've said before, you're using what you're trying to prove to prove what you're trying to use to prove it.
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Yes I do have evidence those burn holes were produced before the shroud turned up in France.
 
bobdroege7 said:
The Pray Codex matches the shroud in three observations,
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Oh this should be good.....
bobdroege7 said:
both the shroud and the Pray Codex have the l-shaped pattern of holes,
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Do you mean 'L' shaped? As the image I posted previously shows the holes don't match particularly well. Tray superimposing them and they don't fit.
bobdroege7 said:
the herring bone pattern on one side
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Utter bollocks. That is not a 'herringbone' pattern.
bobdroege7 said:
and the cross shaped pattern on the reverse, just like you can see if you look closely at the Raes sample.
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Also not true.
 
Thermal said:
*looks at image of man on the Turin Shroud*

*looks at no image on the Pray Codex*

*looks at bobdroege7*
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Also, if one looks at the actual page (it's called the 'Three Marys') that supposedly shows the non-existent shroud, the similarity ceases to exist. Also the image really doesn't look like a burial cloth at all.

Pray Codex - Three Marys.jpg
 
bobdroege7 said:
The image as seen on the shroud would be extremely difficult to draw on the Pray Codex, because it is difficult to draw on a 4 meter by 1 meter linen cloth.
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What is this supposed to even mean? You are the one claiming that a detail of the 'Three Marys' page of the Codex resembles your mythical shroud.
bobdroege7 said:
Whingeing about the lack of an image on the Pray Codex is just that, whingeing.
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No, it's not. It's pointing out an enormous hole in your argument, one you are desperately trying to distract attention from.
bobdroege7 said:
And no, I never mentioned that because it should be obvious that you don't get the evidence you want, just the evidence that exists.
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Ah, you don't want people to notice that the orient ion of the "holes" doesn't match.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Either the Septuagint in Greek or the Vulgate in Latin.
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Why?
bobdroege7 said:
Obviously I have claimed that the shroud has been mentioned between the attempted crucifixion and the display of the shroud in the 14th century.
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Ah, "obviously", a wallpaper word.
bobdroege7 said:
What routes of what are you talking about?
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A reference to the multiple competing and mutually contradictory routes that shroudies claim the cloth took to get to France. Remember? We discussed (well I lectured upon, you avoided the topic) the Antioch Hypothesis.
 
bobdroege7 said:
Nope, I am relying on little books of bronze age fairy tales that didn't make it into the bible.
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Why?
Which ones do you choose to accept?
Why them and only them?
How do you decide what's really real?
bobdroege7 said:
And you don't seem to understand what I mean when I say "as true"
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I understand. I just don't accept your self-abrogated omniscience regarding the texts. Especially since you lack both the historical knowledge and the language skills to under them in context.
 
catsmate said:
Oh this should be good.....

Do you mean 'L' shaped? As the image I posted previously shows the holes don't match particularly well. Tray superimposing them and they don't fit.

Utter bollocks. That is not a 'herringbone' pattern.

Also not true.
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medievalshroud.com

Raes Ruminations

In 1973, a snippet of the Shroud was given to the Belgian textile expert Gilbert Raes for analysis. It was described as shaped as an irregular right-angled triangle, with sides 40mm, 13mm and 42mm.…
medievalshroud.com

Here are some pictures of the Raes sample from the shroud, you can see what the front and the back look like, or maybe your glasses need and updated prescription.
 
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