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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
Here's a SFW screen shot of the Bonnie Blue school orgy (from a cued SFW video discussing the Channel 4 documentary: Documentary on Notorious Adult Film Performer Reveals Secret to Her Success | Bonnie Blue Analysis).

They look underage, are wearing school uniforms and are siting at desks in a classroom.

Bonnie is available on the Fansly website, which is available to UK consumers (contrary to Darat's claim that such content is illegal online in the UK).
@Darat

Welcome to 21st century rape culture un-civilisation.
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ROFLMAO. None of those individuals look underage. I'm sorry, putting a schoolgirl uniform on a 30 year old doesn't do it.
 
Apologists for content that normalises the sexual abuse of children in evidence here. It is content that is illegal offline in the UK and will be made illegal online soon.
 
Poem said:
Apologists for content that normalises the sexual abuse of children in evidence here. It is content that is illegal offline in the UK and will be made illegal online soon.
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You're insane. That ain't it.

It's an art form performed by adults for adults.
 
acbytesla should speak to a Christian, right?
 
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Poem said:
Apologists for content that normalises the sexual abuse of children in evidence here. It is content that is illegal offline in the UK and will be made illegal online soon.
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I'm sorry, I cannot take anyone seriously who thinks the Bonnie Blue 'classroom' orgy is an example of porn that risks normalizing child sexual abuse.

I'd want to see ID before buying most of those performers a drink but I would not do a double-take to see any of them sitting at a bar.

I'm seriously uncomfortable with porn that looks too much like CSA. This isn't an example of that.

I'm also uncomfortable with any law that would, while taking aim at simulated CSA, hit that video.

It reminds me of the thing where people want to report fanfics to the cops as CSAM.

Marty McFly is a high school student!! I'm in trouble.

Seriously though, it wastes the time and energy of the people trying to crack down on actual CSA and CSAM.

.......Hang on, wait, is this a psyop? Are you trying to make people who want to keep simulated CSA off the internet look stupid?
 
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Lithrael said:
I'm sorry, I cannot take anyone seriously who thinks the Bonnie Blue 'classroom' orgy is an example of porn that risks normalizing child sexual abuse.

I'd want to see ID before buying most of those performers a drink but I would not do a double-take to see any of them sitting at a bar.

I'm seriously uncomfortable with porn that looks too much like CSA. This isn't an example of that.

I'm also uncomfortable with any law that would, while taking aim at simulated CSA, hit that video.

It reminds me of the thing where people want to report fanfics to the cops as CSAM.

Marty McFly is a high school student!! I'm in trouble.

Seriously though, it wastes the time and energy of the people trying to crack down on actual CSA and CSAM.

.......Hang on, wait, is this a psyop? Are you trying to make people who want to keep simulated CSA off the internet look stupid?
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You know for a fact that I'm not the only one who thinks this stuff is abhorrent. Porn desensitisation is a real phenomenon.
 
Poem said:
You know for a fact that I'm not the only one who thinks this stuff is abhorrent.
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Lots of people think one very common thing that a lot of consenting adults enjoy doing together in private is abhorrent. So, 'some people find this abhorrent' is not my metric.

A high school 'classroom' scene, populated by adults, that could have been outfitted at Halloween Surplus, doesn't tip my metric of stuff to worry about, no.

Bonnie Blue's business practices themselves are a bit worrying, though. Still bugs me to hear that she's paying people in 'exposure' though clearly she does successfully get them seen.
 
Poem said:
You know for a fact that I'm not the only one who thinks this stuff is abhorrent. Porn desensitisation is a real phenomenon.
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Both those things might be true. But this doesn't constitute child abuse. Or anything close to it.
 
Lithrael said:
Lots of people think one very common thing that a lot of consenting adults enjoy doing together in private is abhorrent. So, 'some people find this abhorrent' is not my metric.
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In private? Typo?
Lithrael said:
A high school 'classroom' scene, populated by adults, that could have been outfitted at Halloween Surplus, doesn't tip my metric of stuff to worry about, no.
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The scene is intentionally attempting to portray a school-age orgy.

@Helen: you think this is a trivial matter?
 
Poem said:
You know for a fact that I'm not the only one who thinks this stuff is abhorrent. Porn desensitisation is a real phenomenon.
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Many people think Christianity is abhorrent. And so do I. But I'm not on a crusade to have it banned.
 
Poem said:
In private? Typo?

The scene is intentionally attempting to portray a school-age orgy.
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Not a typo; I was describing how x number of people finding a thing abhorrent (no matter the specifics) simply isn't a factor in how I see a thing.

There are school-age people who are not minors. None of these performers look underage to me.
 
Poem said:
A few nebulous references to intimacy substantiates what exactly?
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A very straightforward reference to unambiguously highly public ritual penetrative sex.,,

highlights your continued refusal or failure to substantiate your claim that "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."

It's clear from the weight of historical (documentary) and archaeological evidence that no such assumption has been held by the majority of humanity since forever. From all different parts of the world and all different time periods, we see ample evidence of public nudity, public and private nude art, fertility rituals like the example I referenced, coming of age rituals well below the age of eighteen, inclusion of under-eighteens in adult milieux where sex would be openly discussed or even practiced (such as the military), visible sex in family settings or public sex in some cases. What we see no evidence for is anyone clutching pearls about any of those things being harmful to children. No codified laws punishing adults for allowing sex or representations of sex to be seen by children. No provisions to sequester children away from erotic art, public nudity, or parents' bedrooms. No reformers or iconoclasts demanding that the current earthly avatars of Inana and Dumuzi stop acting out their erotic union in a public ceremony for the sake of the children.
 
Myriad said:
A very straightforward reference to unambiguously highly public ritual penetrative sex.,,

highlights your continued refusal or failure to substantiate your claim that "the assumption that such material is harmful, especially to children, has been held by the majority of humanity since forever."

It's clear from the weight of historical (documentary) and archaeological evidence that no such assumption has been held by the majority of humanity since forever. From all different parts of the world and all different time periods, we see ample evidence of public nudity, public and private nude art, fertility rituals like the example I referenced, coming of age rituals well below the age of eighteen, inclusion of under-eighteens in adult milieux where sex would be openly discussed or even practiced (such as the military), visible sex in family settings or public sex in some cases. What we see no evidence for is anyone clutching pearls about any of those things being harmful to children. No codified laws punishing adults for allowing sex or representations of sex to be seen by children. No provisions to sequester children away from erotic art, public nudity, or parents' bedrooms. No reformers or iconoclasts demanding that the current earthly avatars of Inana and Dumuzi stop acting out their erotic union in a public ceremony for the sake of the children.
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I'm curious, did King David's son have "public sex when he raped 10 of his stepmothers in broad daylight in Jerusalem?
 
Poem said:
They look underage, are wearing school uniforms and are siting at desks in a classroom.
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Here's the problem with relying on screenshots. It is in the nature of porn that the costumes (not uniforms) inevitably come off and you can see the fully adult bodies underneath.

They're not uniforms! It's not a school and they're not students. They are actors playing roles, and wearing costumes. Just like any other movie.
 
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