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Does Matter Really Exist?

Iacchus said:
Sentience, gives us the ability to reason about those things that exist within and, on the outside of nature. Otherwise, you or I wouldn't be able to make a statement such as this.
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Extra points to you if you can demonstrate the circularity here. Hint: it has been less than a week since the same circular structure was dissected for you.
 
Iacchus said:
If God exists, everything exists within God's domain. Which is to say, He's perfectly capable of standing outside of, as well as within, those things that exist in His domain. Not to say that I'm refuting Hawking's claim, because I'm not. I'm speaking more in terms of the principle of induction.

If, in fact we all have a spirit or, a soul which, is capable of living on after death, then yes, we do have the means by which to contemplate the presence of God.
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No, and no. I don't see how you can reach these conclusions, seeing as how they don't follow from their premises.

Iacchus said:
Sentience, gives us the ability to reason about those things that exist within and, on the outside of nature.
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Not specifically. A non-intelligent computer can reason. It's just not aware of its own existence, per se.
 
Belz... said:
Not specifically. A non-intelligent computer can reason. It's just not aware of its own existence, per se.
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Hard to say. My computer turns itself off after a while. That could easily be called "being aware of its existence". The word "aware" is so fraught with conflicting meanings.
 
Tricky said:
Hard to say. My computer turns itself off after a while. That could easily be called "being aware of its existence". The word "aware" is so fraught with conflicting meanings.
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What are you, some kind of behaviorist?
 
Tricky said:
Hard to say. My computer turns itself off after a while. That could easily be called "being aware of its existence". The word "aware" is so fraught with conflicting meanings.
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As you said previously, Tricky, if people change the meaning of words, we could very well say that rocks are self-aware.
 
Tricky said:
Hard to say. My computer turns itself off after a while. That could easily be called "being aware of its existence". The word "aware" is so fraught with conflicting meanings.
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The Universe is nothing but one whole interactive experience.
 
Iacchus said:
If God exists, everything exists within God's domain. Which is to say, He's perfectly capable of standing outside of, as well as within, those things that exist in His domain. Not to say that I'm refuting Hawking's claim, because I'm not. I'm speaking more in terms of the principle of induction.
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Not really. There are many possibilities for what sort of god exists if there is one at all. We have no way of knowing what any god is capable of, or whether this god is within or without any domain. Theists have a tendency to infer that any possible god is Jehovah, omniscient and omnipresent and omnipotent and personal, but it's just a guess based largely on effect-cause reversal and wishful thinking.

If, in fact we all have a spirit or, a soul which, is capable of living on after death, then yes, we do have the means by which to contemplate the presence of God.
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If if ififif. And if not, not. And even if we have a soul and even if it lives after death and if the enduring soul retains individuality and what we might call identity and consciousness, and even if there is a present god, there are still a couple of ifs to go, such as if god wants to be present, and if souls do actually possess the means to detect that and, in short, if that is the way things actually are then that's the way they'll be, but other than wishful thinking there is no reason to believe that they are.
 
Iacchus said:
"I think, therefore God exists?"
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Yes, sentience is the fifth dimension, which envelopes the first four.
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Wow, you've managed, in a single post, to both evade an honest question, show a complete misunderstanding of the word "dimension", show circular reasoning AND muddle the issue. You truly are the master of your art.

Iacchus said:
The Universe is nothing but one whole interactive experience.
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The whole ? So... your mind is no longer on the "other side" of it ?
 
Belz... said:
How can a dimension exist within another dimension ?
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The second dimension is all-inclusive the first; the third dimension is all-inclusive of the first and second; the fourth dimension is all-inclusive of the first, second and third; etc., etc..
 
Iacchus said:
The second dimension is all-inclusive the first; the third dimension is all-inclusive of the first and second; the fourth dimension is all-inclusive of the first, second and third, etc., etc.
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:notm

Your ignorance of dimensions matches your ignorance of cosmology, evolution, and logic. What is more, if my poor memory serves me, you have been corrected on this in the past.
 
Mercutio said:
:notm

Your ignorance of dimensions matches your ignorance of cosmology, evolution, and logic. What is more, if my poor memory serves me, you have been corrected on this in the past.
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Each dimension contributes to the picture as a whole. Hence the greater the dimension, the greater the understanding you have towards the whole. This in fact is what the fifth dimension, sentience, entails ... the observation of the whole and/or spacetime.
 
Iacchus said:
Is time a "spatial" dimension? Yet it would seem that all the spatial dimensions exist within the framework of time ... Or, do they?
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Iacchus said:
The second dimension is all-inclusive the first; the third dimension is all-inclusive of the first and second; the fourth dimension is all-inclusive of the first, second and third; etc., etc..
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Iacchus said:
Each dimension contributes to the picture as a whole. Hence the greater the dimension, the greater the understanding you have towards the whole. This in fact is what the fifth dimension -- sentience -- entails ... the observation of the whole and/or spacetime.
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No, Iacchus. The CORRECT answer was: "I'm wrong ? Then, please, contribute to my knowledge by explaining it to me." And then, "Really, That's really interesting. I'll now include this new knowledge into any further discussions I have for the rest of my life."
 
Iacchus said:
Each dimension contributes to the picture as a whole. Hence the greater the dimension, the greater the understanding you have towards the whole. This in fact is what the fifth dimension, sentience, entails ... the observation of the whole and/or spacetime.
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From this, we can see that the Iacchian definition differs from that which the rest of us use. This is helpful when assessing the extent to which we must heed these assertions. It would appear that the proper amount of weight we should give to this opinion is...none at all.

It would appear that explaining dimensions to Iacchus is like explaining the global economy to a dog. There is the occasional appearance of listening, perhaps even the furrowing of a brow when a familiar word is uttered, but nothing is learned, and the poor fellow is no less likely than before to eat your garbage and take a dump on your carpet. Iacchus, I mean; the dog asks to go outside.
 
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