Merged Does CERN prove Einstein wrong?

[Patrick1000]

I love the guy, he really is beautiful.

Anders and Patrick would make an AWESOME research team!

Keep pluggin' away Anders, don't let em' get to you bro. I got your back.

Patrick1000, The Apollo Snowflake King.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Isn't that just a different way of saying you're too lazy to see whether your beliefs are valid?

I wouldn't want spending years of work on that.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Why should anyone take you seriously?

Really, WHY?

Because I could be right.

 

[Anders Lindman]

Anders, what does the speed of two photons look like if they are both approaching the observer from opposite directions?

Is the answer 'c' or zero?

The velocity between any of the photons and the observer would be 1c. The relative velocity between the photons from the view of the observer would be 2c. That's not a violation of Special Relativity as has been discussed earlier. The upper limit of c in SR applies to the relative velocity between the observer and objects, not between objects.

 

[JayUtah]

I wouldn't want spending years of work on that.

Then what validates your criticism and veiled accusations against those who do spend years of work in their chosen professions? Are ignorance and apathy a suitable foundation for an opinion the world is bound to respect?

Because I could be right.

Then prove it. Actually lift a finger.

What's to be done with you? You won't educate yourself. You won't listen to experts unless they appear to agree with what you've already decided to believe. You won't even take a stand on any of your ideas -- if we ignore you, we're sheep; if we try to take you seriously and hold you accountable, you say they're just ideas.

No, you can't be right. Because you don't actually believe anything you're willing to stand behind.

 

[Patrick1000]

Cut the guy some slack Jay

Then what validates your criticism and veiled accusations against those who do spend years of work in their chosen professions? Are ignorance and apathy a suitable foundation for an opinion the world is bound to respect?



Then prove it. Actually lift a finger.

What's to be done with you? You won't educate yourself. You won't listen to experts unless they appear to agree with what you've already decided to believe. You won't even take a stand on any of your ideas -- if we ignore you, we're sheep; if we try to take you seriously and hold you accountable, you say they're just ideas.

No, you can't be right. Because you don't actually believe anything you're willing to stand behind.

Cut the guy some slack Jay. Anders is not a parrot, but a snowflake like me. He really might be on to something there.

 

[Patrick1000]

Anders and I probably would get along.

How do you figure? Anders hasn't shown he's any more informed than you are on the subjects he talks about. Neither one of you seems very willing to engage better-informed people except to insult them.

Anders and I probably would get along.

That aside Jay, he responded appropriately to the point I made above more or less.

He's got tons of spunk, and who knows, perhaps he'll rewrite Michelson-Morley and surprise us all.

Or better yet, ride a closed Godelian time curve and travel back to July 20, 1969, arriving there in his inimitable Anders way to take a shot of Collins/Aldrin/Armstrong shooting pool in a Cocoa Beach Pub.

 

[R.A.F.]

Because I could be right.

I've read your posts..there is no chance that you are right.

 

[Patrick1000]

Anders could be right RAF!!!

I've read your posts..there is no chance that you are right.

Anders could be right RAF!!!

 

[R.A.F.]

Cut the guy some slack Jay.

Why should he? Why should ANYONE ignore willful ignorance? So you can feel important with your silly little lies?

No...get your "jollies" in some other fashion.

He really might be on to something there.

Like I said...no chance of that...no chance at all...

...and your "endorsement" doesn't help, it hinders.

 

[R.A.F.]

Anders could be right RAF!!!

No, he can't...

 

[R.A.F.]

...take a shot of Collins/Aldrin/Armstrong shooting pool in a Cocoa Beach Pub.

Yeah, because that is where they would be, if they were trying to hide and perpetuate a hoax...in plain sight

What the hell's wrong with you???

 

[R.A.F.]

He's got tons of spunk...

..and he is wrong...

 

[Anders Lindman]

I came to think of a cool conspiracy theory: CERN discovered that when they included Special Relativity in their calculations, the results became inconsistent, so they removed the relativity effects in the calculations.

 

[Patrick1000]

Anders, you are too too too beautiful for words!

I came to think of a cool conspiracy theory: CERN discovered that when they included Special Relativity in their calculations, the results became inconsistent, so they removed the relativity effects in the calculations.

Anders, you are too too too beautiful for words!

 

[JayUtah]

I came to think of a cool conspiracy theory...

Any plans in the foreseeable future to take some sort of intellectual responsibility for this speculation?

 

[uke2se]

Anders, you are too too too beautiful for words!

What you call "beautiful", rational people would call "ignorant person pulling stuff from his arse".

 

[Anders Lindman]

Any plans in the foreseeable future to take some sort of intellectual responsibility for this speculation?

Yes, I plan to break down the conspiracy in stages. In the first stage the question why CERN would do something like that is examined.

Why would CERN remove the Special Relativity effects from their calculations? The reason, as mentioned previously, is because otherwise their measured results become inconsistent.

The next stage is to examine why CERN would not simply admit that. They couldn't, because that would upset the scientific community too abruptly.

 

[Greedo]

Yes, I plan to break down the conspiracy in stages. In the first stage the question why CERN would do something like that is examined.

Why would CERN remove the Special Relativity effects from their calculations? The reason, as mentioned previously, is because otherwise their measured results become inconsistent.

The next stage is to examine why CERN would not simply admit that. They couldn't, because that would upset the scientific community too abruptly.

You just made that up! You don't have a shred of evidence. You just thought of that, so it must be so. Well, I've always thought my cats can fly, but they hide it froom teh hoominz. I will look into that now too, maybe my life will then be as exiting as yours.

 

[Anders Lindman]

You just made that up! You don't have a shred of evidence. You just thought of that, so it must be so. Well, I've always thought my cats can fly, but they hide it froom teh hoominz. I will look into that now too, maybe my life will then be as exiting as yours.

This looks suspicious to me:

"Researchers at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands compute that the correct compensation should be about 32 additional nanoseconds on each end. This more than corrects for the 60 nanosecond speed burst the neutrinos appeared to originally have." -- http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/10/score_another_for_einstein.html

Wouldn't the scientists at CERN have thought of that? Of course they would. Here is one comment on that page that sums it up:

"if true, as an engineer, i would have to classify this error as "boneheaded." a child's common sense understanding the earth's rotation could have suggested this error. the carelessness and sloppyness of this error, especially in the context of challenging the finest theory we have today, is indicative of incompetence and/or a failure of communication to a high degree."