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Do Atheist Vote?

Gulliamo

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Do atheist vote? Near as I can tell we have never had an openly atheist candidate for any major office. Who is the most atheistic or least religious candidate in the US? All I see are candidates attempting one-upmanship on the godliness scale.
 
Well, as far as I'm concerned, THIS atheist votes. But I think your question should be 'Do openly proclaimed atheists run for office?'. I agree that there seems to be a strong "God-Factor' quality attached to all major candidates regardless of Party affiliation. (Although, didn't Paul Hogan claim that religion was the product of a weak mind? He also later had to retract that comment.) This sort of political pandering (from both sides) makes me leave religion out of the picture when deciding whom to vote for. I then have to look at who will do the most overall good for the office. Let's face it, usually no one is going to be the 'Ideal Candidate', as there are always issues one will disagree with when looking at one person. Funny thing, there seems to be however a large population of voters that do just the opposite. They agree (or disagree) with one pet issue with a candidate and then go with (or against) that person; all other issues being moot. I recently debated someone on chosing a candidate and found that the other person I was debating was arguing issues that in fact weren't even true at all. They were gross errors needed by him in order to maintain their political point of view, which supported his candidate. It finally turned out that this person actually agreed with their candidate on only one issue and agreed with the opposition on many others. But facts be damned -- no amount of reason and logic was going to make this person listen. This is why I beleve no political candidate will go out and proclaim themselves an atheist, or even a non-believer. Too many voters will focus on that one issue and ignore all the others.
 
Polititians don't admit that kind of thing to their constituents.
It is bad politics.
 
Gulliamo said:
Do atheist vote? Near as I can tell we have never had an openly atheist candidate for any major office. Who is the most atheistic or least religious candidate in the US? All I see are candidates attempting one-upmanship on the godliness scale.

I suspect it's about hedging their bets ... I wouldn't not vote for someone based on their declared religious beliefs. I do however think that could influence religious folks.

Here's some politicians who were not afraid to speak out, though I'm not sure of their beliefs;

Indira Ghandi
Sen. Barry Goldwater (complained about self-appointed 'moral' guardians)
Jawaharlal Nehru
Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan
Sen John Danforth (A priest criticising wars carried out in the name of religions)

Al Gore apparently spoke out against intolerance within his own church (Southern Baptist)

I'm sure some of the prominent UK politicians must be atheists, but I'm not sure how to verify that ... I'd put money on Tony Benn saying he is.

Source: 2000 years of disbelief, James A Haught
 
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Just thinking said:
(Although, didn't Paul Hogan claim that religion was the product of a weak mind? He also later had to retract that comment.)

Isn't Paul Hogan Crocodile Dundee?

Jesse Ventura, former governor of Michigan, said that religion was a crutch for the weak-minded, but I wasn't aware that he retracted that statement.
 
I do. But you'd find it difficult to find an openly atheistic candidate. The then-president of our local Rationalist society ran for the County Council seat in her area, and didn't do badly, but she did not get elected.

Terry Gross was interviewing Ron Reagan yesterday, (openly atheistic) and asked him if he was interested in running for office at some point. He just laughed. "They don't elect many atheists."
 
For all practical purposes they are all atheists since they do whatever they want anyway.
 
Radrook said:
For all practical purposes they are all atheists since they do whatever they want anyway.

This is an absolutely stupid statement. You are a moron, Rad, and you prove it with every post you make.
 
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rebecca said:
Isn't Paul Hogan Crocodile Dundee?

Jesse Ventura, former governor of Michigan, said that religion was a crutch for the weak-minded, but I wasn't aware that he retracted that statement.

You are absolutely correct -- I misspoke. I guess it was his wrestling name, Hulk Hogan. Am I correct here?

Sorry for the blunder, but I stand by claiming his retraction.
 
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rebecca said:
Jesse Ventura, former governor of Michigan, said that religion was a crutch for the weak-minded, but I wasn't aware that he retracted that statement.
Jesse was governor of Minnesota. Michigan is a very fine state, I understand, but the voters in that state did not put him in office.

Jesse said, in a Playboy interview, that religion was a sham and a crutch for weak-minded people. He was criticised up and down for this remark. He later qualified the remark by saying that he meant organized religion (which was clearly implied in his remarks). He still had folks calling for his head. He subsequently backpedaled (that wimp!) and even went to far as to say (when asked by a reporter) that he considered Jesus Christ to be his personal savior.

Why Jesse backed down from this remark was something of a mystery to me. He was absolutely right about at least some organized religions. They are shams, and they are crutches for the weak-minded. They sought to have their religious principles codified as laws for everyone to follow, which was what Jesse was complaining about in the interview.
 
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Brown said:

Why Jesse backed down from this remark was something of a mystery to me.

I think it's pretty obvious why he backed down, it's so he can keep getting votes. It's not a good idea to tell the truth if the truth insults those that make up the majority of voters.
 
I would be tempted to point to the founders of this nation, but I am at a loss to recall any who were atheists rather than deists. It's strange that the two are lumped together (mostly by themselves I think, but hve no data to back that statement), since their views would seem diametrically opposed.

But what the hey, one should do their best to enjoy the strangest of bedfellows. ;)

It had been suggested once that atheists should try and organize themselves politically the way some other minority communities have. I was lazy, and did not read the article, and went back to playing mechwarrior 4. i therefore cannot comment on the value of the idea.
 
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thaiboxerken said:
I think it's pretty obvious why he backed down, it's so he can keep getting votes. It's not a good idea to tell the truth if the truth insults those that make up the majority of voters.

But he didn't even run for re-election...

Jeremy
 
neutrino_cannon said:
I would be tempted to point to the founders of this nation, but I am at a loss to recall any who were atheists rather than deists.

i believe that Thomas Paine was an out and out atheist, but i'm not sure if he would necessarily be consiered a "founder" (why do i think of changelings every time i see or hear that world? ;)).
 
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toddjh said:
But he didn't even run for re-election...

Jeremy

Yea, but maybe he wants to keep the door open for other elected positions.
 
I would be tempted to point to the founders of this nation, but I am at a loss to recall any who were atheists rather than deists. It's strange that the two are lumped together (mostly by themselves I think, but hve no data to back that statement), since their views would seem diametrically opposed.

Actually, deists tend to share many of the naturalistic values that many atheists do. The real difference in opinion comes on whether a god exists or not. A deist god simply created a universe, and that's all.. it does not interact with the world or have anything to do with it after the creation.
 
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Just thinking said:
You are absolutely correct -- I misspoke. I guess it was his wrestling name, Hulk Hogan. Am I correct here?
Actually he wrestled as Jesse the body Ventura. But he did wrestle at the same time as Hulk Hogan...
 
neutrino_cannon said:
I would be tempted to point to the founders of this nation, but I am at a loss to recall any who were atheists rather than deists.
And then what happened after them? Once the scared and unwashed masses started voting the canidates took a dive for the worse? Or is it that the original people, especially the religeous people, wanted complete separation of church and state and so an atheist or deist president seemed like a good idea (meaning a guy who wouldn't try to impliment his religious beliefs as federal law).
 
Actually he wrestled as Jesse the body Ventura. But he did wrestle at the same time as Hulk Hogan...

I've heard that he and Hulk Hogan are brothers.

The chances of an "open atheist" being elected president of the U.S., are just slightly slimmer than the chances of say, a "lesbian African-American".
 
Voob said:
The chances of an "open atheist" being elected president of the U.S., are just slightly slimmer than the chances of say, a "lesbian African-American".
While that is probably correct why can't we [atheist] even get anyone into the city cousel? Are we that unorganized or are we, as a whole, that lazy? Or is it that we just do not care?
 

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