Diversity/tolerance classes

[fuelair]

Personally, I think they should be made to clean it up at least. Preferably without the use of power tools, on their hands and knees, for as long as it takes. But that's my solution to any destruction of someone's property.

The Army preferred toothbrushes for that kind of training effort - good for detail cleaning!!

 

[mhaze]

At the local high school some of the kids have decided it is "cool" to spray paint swastikas on the pavement. This has unsettled some of the kids and upset some of the parents. So this all goes up before the school board who now want to force the students into more "diversity/tolerance" classes.

Now.......maybe I'm cynical but I'm thinking that if a kid actually holds abjectly racist viewpoints (which might not even be the case here as kids are known to do stupid things like painting swastikas just for kicks) I don't think making them watch a video on a rainbow of people standing on a grassy hill holding hands and singing will do any good.

Well, that was how the videos went back when I was in school. Today they probably have a bitching synth/pop soundtrack.

Is there any hard data on this stuff? I just can't see a kid raised in a house where it is commonly accepted knowledge that the Jews control everything deciding dad is wrong because of a class at school.

You (and likely THEM) are working from an incorrect premise. That's the assumption that it was a member of the school that did the painting. Without hard evidence in that direction, there is no reason to inflict any kind of crap on the kids.

 

[Stout]

You give them too much credit, as someone that always hung around **** disturbers, i can say it goes more like this.

SD1- I'm bored, want to **** something up?

SD2- Yeah, i got some firecrackers, spraypaint, and a hacksaw blade.

SD1- Spraypaint seems good, so cock or swastika?

SD2- Well we have been paint a lot of wangs lately, that's getting boring, swastika?

SD1 - Sounds good.

I side this

Now had they targeted a Jewish cemetery with swastika we may have some evidence of anti semitism. The swastika is the ultimate counter culture symbol, guaranteed to piss off just about everybody.

Diversity and tolerance aren't things that can't be taught, they're things that one has to figure out for oneself. It's sort of like sending guys who pick up prostitutes to "john school" sure, the smart ones claim to have learned the errors of their ways however, at heart, they don't really give a rip and just go through the motions of *repenting*

 

[fuelair]

The reason for my comments about those programs for prevention. Just California feel-good stuff.

 

[epepke]

Does anyone have any ideas on a more effective reaction?

Um, teaching them not to destroy or deface public property?

NO THAT IS INCONCEIVABLE!

 

[bigred]

Now.......maybe I'm cynical but I'm thinking that if a kid actually holds abjectly racist viewpoints (which might not even be the case here as kids are known to do stupid things like painting swastikas just for kicks) I don't think making them watch a video on a rainbow of people standing on a grassy hill

gasp

That's crazy talk. Next thing you'll be telling me that "affirmative action" is a quota system enforcing reverse discrimination!

 

[Stout]

Speaking of diversity and tolerance, I ran across this yesterday.

Gendertrender

To save you clicking on the link and wasting your valuable time, I summarize. It's a group of lesbians openly mocking and deriding transsexuals who simply want to live as women.

Here we have an oppressed group who are constantly on about diversity and tolerance openly discriminating against "the other" simply because "the other" was born with the wrong chromosomes.

So...what's the message here ? I'm confused Discrimination and intolerance are good ? So if I discriminate against lesbians ( real lesbians, not internet lesbians ) that's bad but if I chop off big jim ant the twins and want to live as a woman, then the people who, as of now, I'm not "supposed" to discriminate against ( homophobia ) can discriminate against me ?

So those who we're not supposed to discriminate against are allowed to discriminate against those who we're also not supposed to discriminate against. Can we discriminate against group A for discriminating against group B without being accused of discriminating against group A because of who they are when we're merely discriminating against them for what they do?

Damn..politics is hard sometimes I wish I was a redneck.

 

[Mycroft]

Gendertrender

To save you clicking on the link and wasting your valuable time, I summarize. It's a group of lesbians openly mocking and deriding transsexuals who simply want to live as women.

Wow. Whoever runs that blog really hates transgender women.

Here we have an oppressed group who are constantly on about diversity and tolerance openly discriminating against "the other" simply because "the other" was born with the wrong chromosomes.

I think it's important to remember that the "oppressed group" is not all lesbians, but just the small sub-set of lesbians that are represented by that blog. Any group will be composed of people with a variety of opinions, and it's important to remember that any one particular opinion may not be representative of the whole.

 

[Stout]

Wow. Whoever runs that blog really hates transgender women.

Bizarre isn't it the level of hate steaming from that thing almost melted my monitor. For a real trip down the feminazi rabbit hole, look up the entry on the Kiwi tampon commercial and read the comments under it.

I think it's important to remember that the "oppressed group" is not all lesbians, but just the small sub-set of lesbians that are represented by that blog. Any group will be composed of people with a variety of opinions, and it's important to remember that any one particular opinion may not be representative of the whole.

I agree, but just how small that sunset is, is up for estimates. I liked specifically to the music festival entry to highlight that the idea of trans inclusion has been on the table wrt this event for years and, so far, they don't appear to be making any progress when it comes to trans inclusion.

Last year, in Vancouver BC a women's only pharmacy opened, yep, no trans allowed, women born women only. As far as I could tell it wasn't a lesbian, but feminist driven format that was eventually forced to allow trans. Just where the lesbian and feminist circles intersect and overlap seems to be one of those issues that is always under discussion but my point here is yet another group, feminists, were openly discriminatory towards a group that's about as marginal as you can get.

Well as marginal as you can get while still remaining within the boundaries of the law.

Just thinking out loud, I haven't done any research on the topic but I wonder how fetish crossdressers go over in the trans community. Might this be another level of discrimination ? As far as I know, crossdressing is legal however I did watch someone get busted on COPS for impersonating a woman once but that was years ago, maybe it was a state law thing.

 

[bigred]

Speaking of diversity and tolerance, I ran across this yesterday.

Gendertrender

To save you clicking on the link and wasting your valuable time, I summarize. It's a group of lesbians openly mocking and deriding transsexuals who simply want to live as women.

Here we have an oppressed group who are constantly on about diversity and tolerance openly discriminating against "the other" simply because "the other" was born with the wrong chromosomes.

So...what's the message here ?

Isn't it obvious? The allegedly "oppressed" groups rarely if ever really give a flip about equality or "diversity" blah de etc blah. They only want extra/better, even preferential, treatment for "their" group. And as you see here, it's not exactly unheard of for them to be just as bigoted about other groups as any redneck or homophobe (etc) that ever came down the pike. But it's OK because they're a member of an "oppressed" group. I see this often with the whole silly race thing. IMO the avg black is far more racist than the avg white, and I don't simply mean against whites either. I'll never forget a discussion I was having with a black guy (who until then had seemed quite intelligent) some years back who was railing about the horrors of evil whitey and ended up in the same conversation mocking Asians, how they're bad drivers/etc, even made fun of their accent. Brilliant. (yes anecdotal I know, but have seen such attitudes many times and not just about race)

All hail the Era of Double-Standards! :bow: The worst part is that there are more than enough hypersensitive, guilt-ridden morons out there willing to genuflect to all this idiocy without question. I'm seriously thinking of starting a movement to stop the oppression of us left-handers. Hey being an evil white hetero male, I have to find some way to get my piece of the goodies. The oppression of all these doorknobs, writing tablets, desks etc etc built for the righties has gone on too long! And why can't we drive on the left side of the road like in the UK? Blatant discrimation I say. Diversity! Tolerance! blah! I want reparations!

 

[Stout]

That's my thinking exactly, that the whole diversity/tolerance is one big red herring in order to promote self interest. There's also the thundering from the pulpit schick that these guilt ridden members of the dominant group love to engage in just to prove to themselves and each other that they're indeed progressive and "better" than the rest of the dominant society.

If we take the way these groups ( the far left ) define terms like racism, where only members of the dominant group can engage in "racism" all other forms of racial discrimination are simply bigotry or ethnocentrism and therefore not as bad as the demonized racism.

Under this form of thinking, which nobody really knows about unless they've made study of the political correctors a black person can't be labeled a racist. Bonus points if you can tie a black person's cultural bigotry into being caused by the dominant society.

The same goes for sexism, A woman cannot be labelled sexist under the laws of political correctness so lesbians discriminating against trans, for instance is defended by justifying the need for women born women only spaces as a refuge from the male dominated society. Diversity and tolerance be damned.

In my experience, the left, the PC, just drop these types of issues like hot potatoes and any attempt to resurface these is met by accusations of trolling. I pulled that gendertrender link off a lefty board, it was posted my a trans activist and in the three days since the issue was raised, it's sunk way past the bottom of the page.

 

[Dessi]

Speaking of diversity and tolerance, I ran across this yesterday.

Gendertrender

To save you clicking on the link and wasting your valuable time, I summarize. It's a group of lesbians openly mocking and deriding transsexuals who simply want to live as women.

Here we have an oppressed group who are constantly on about diversity and tolerance openly discriminating against "the other" simply because "the other" was born with the wrong chromosomes.

**** the Michigan Women's Music Festival. I've listened to their anti-trans rants, they believe transwomen carry around "male energy" -- they are, however, perfectly happy to invite drag kings and transmen to their concerts. Policies like that reinforce essentialist views of sex and gender, which totally undermines the message feminists have been pushing for years that essentialism is false, totally undermines an important part of feminist philosophy that "one is not born a woman, but becomes a woman".

Thankfully, Autostraddle's gay girl community is very welcoming to transwomen, as are most LGBT communities I've belonged to over the years.

Isn't it obvious? The allegedly "oppressed" groups rarely if ever really give a flip about equality or "diversity" blah de etc blah. They only want extra/better, even preferential, treatment for "their" group.

MWMF is deplorable but your comment is a totally unnecessary mischaracterization of minority groups. MWMF do not speak for all lesbians or even all feminists, their view is shrinking in numbers. Third-wave feminists reject the gender binary, aren't necessarily as opposed to sex or pornography, view gender-conforming femininity with less disdain, and are generally inclusive to transfeminists.

For a wonderful perspective on the topic, listen to Tobi Hill-Meyer's narrative on being a butch, feminist, transwoman:

 

[crimresearch]

The whole idea of 'community' can be a stepping stone to power, which as we should all know, can be quite addictive.. even in its pettiest forms.

And defining the community by excluding those with less power, is a pattern that seems to repeat over and over.

 

[Ziggurat]

**** the Michigan Women's Music Festival.

I'd... really rather not.

 

[Stout]

**** the Michigan Women's Music Festival. I've listened to their anti-trans rants, they believe transwomen carry around "male energy" -- they are, however, perfectly happy to invite drag kings and transmen to their concerts. Policies like that reinforce essentialist views of sex and gender, which totally undermines the message feminists have been pushing for years that essentialism is false, totally undermines an important part of feminist philosophy that "one is not born a woman, but becomes a woman".

Yes their views do run contrary to everything I've read on the issue from the trans perspective however I can't say I've had much exposure to the feminist take on diversity and tolerance wrt trans issues however the wbw crowd seems to be the most boisterous whenever this issue arises

 

[bigred]

The "trans perspective??"

These truly are the crazy years. Run away, it is the rabbit.

 

[Lamuella]

The "trans perspective??"

These truly are the crazy years. Run away, it is the rabbit.

yes, run all the way back to the 1930s or the 1830s or whenever it is that your weird view of how society should work was closest to happening.

 

[bigred]

Two wrongs make a right, is that your whiny logic?

God forbid there be a common sense middle ground. I guess that's not "trans" enough.

 

[Lamuella]

Two wrongs make a right, is that your whiny logic?

God forbid there be a common sense middle ground. I guess that's not "trans" enough.

I sincerely have no idea what you are talking about

 

[bigred]

I'm not surprised.