Differences Between Bush and Kerry

[Demigorgon]

Bush - Went from huge surplus to huge defecit

Surplus? Smoke and mirrors, fairies and dragons.............

 

[Tony]

Are you?

No.

But I feel that Bush has PROVEN to be a liar & manipulator of the worst kind.

Feelings are irrelevant, if Bush has proven to be a liar, you should be able to document it. As it is, I have posted irrefutable evidence of Kerry's lies, hypocrisy and general inconsistency.

 

[shuize]

How is Kerry strong on defense? ...

Easy. He kills POWs rather than send them to Cuba.

Now how's that for a candidate that's tough on defense?

 

[Evolver]

No.



Feelings are irrelevant, if Bush has proven to be a liar, you should be able to document it. As it is, I have posted irrefutable evidence of Kerry's lies, hypocrisy and general inconsistency.

One word: Weapons of mass destruction.

I rest my case.

 

[Tony]

One word: Weapons of mass destruction.

I rest my case.

That's four words and that's not evidence.

Furthermore, John Kerry supported Bush in that aspect, I assume you hold him to the same account?

 

[Evolver]

That's not evidence.

Furthermore, John Kerry supported Bush in that aspect, I assume you hold him to the same account?

It has been gone over many times here that Bush led the country to believe that Saddam HAD WMDs, and was preparing to use them against us imminently. This has proven to be false. That you chose not to see it this way is not my problem.

Ok, how about "I'm a uniter, not a divider." , with more recent comment degrading those who oppose him?

 

[Tony]

It has been gone over many times here that Bush led the country to believe that Saddam HAD WMDs...

SO did Clinton and Kerry, do you hold them to the same account?

Ok, how about "I'm a uniter, not a divider." , with more recent comment degrading those who oppose him?

You expect politicians to live up to their campaign platitudes? That's pretty naive.

 

[Evolver]

Furthermore, John Kerry supported Bush in that aspect, I assume you hold him to the same account?

Yes I do. And I sent him an email expressing my disappointment with him at the time. His office sent back a lovely form letter.

 

[Tony]

Yes I do. And I sent him an email expressing my disappointment with him at the time. His office sent back a lovely form letter.

Then why single-out Bush?

 

[Evolver]

Then why single-out Bush?

The buck must stop somewhere.

 

[Tony]

The buck must stop somewhere.

No, it must not. There is more than one person at fault.

 

[Evolver]

No, it must not. There is more than one person at fault.

So, you're saying Kerry is as much of a liar as Bush for agreeing with Bush's lie.

You don't see a difference in degrees here.

Bush was lying to bring the country into a war he wanted for a long time.

Kerry was lying because he didn't want to make waves before his presidential run.

They are both lying pigs. But the squeals are at a different pitch.

(edited for spelling)

 

[RandFan]

Some people call this hypocrisy. I call it learning. That is, adapting to new evidence and new perceptions of evidence.

My problem with this "learning" is that there seems to be a pattern of "learning" based on polls. I call it leading by focus groups. I guess the label ultimately doesn't matter.

I think a leaders job, once elected is to choose a course and follow it. The leader should not be so dogmatic as to refuse to change course if change is warranted. However, I don't want a leader who is worried that his decisions will be perceived as intransigent. I don't want a leader who makes decisions based upon the fickle and ever changing whims of popular opinion. But then I'm funny that way.

 

[Tmy]

So which is it. Do we want the leader to do what the public wants or not??? I thought thats what democracy was really about. Sure you dont want to do things that harm the country, but is following public opinion that awful a thing.?

As for pandering. Arent politicos always pandering to some group. Isnt the difference tween demos and repubs just the different groups they pander too.

 

[Tony]

So, you're saying Kerry is as much of a liar as Bush for agreeing with Bush's lie.

Yes.

You don't see a difference in degrees here.

There really isn't that much difference.

Bush was lying to bring the country into a war he wanted for a long time.

Can you support that he wanted to bring the country into this war for a "long time"?

Kerry was lying because he didn't want to make waves before his presidential run.

So instead taking a principled stand on what's best for the country and American soldiers, Kerry lies for self-serving political gain. And you think Kerry is better than Bush?

They are both lying pigs. But the squeals are at a different pitch.

I agree, Kerry's lies and hypocrisy are much worse.

 

[subgenius]

My problem with this "learning" is that there seems to be a pattern of "learning" based on polls. I call it leading by focus groups. I guess the label ultimately doesn't matter.

I think a leaders job, once elected is to choose a course and follow it. The leader should not be so dogmatic as to refuse to change course if change is warranted. However, I don't want a leader who is worried that his decisions will be perceived as intransigent. I don't want a leader who makes decisions based upon the fickle and ever changing whims of popular opinion. But then I'm funny that way.

Randy (may I call you that?),
Is Bush a leader then to you?
You said this about him in a different thread:

"I hate to be cynical but you are describing a politician. Not unlike the presidents before him. I don't condone it but I understand it."

 

[Tony]

So which is it. Do we want the leader to do what the public wants or not??? I thought thats what democracy was really about.

The US isn't a democracy.

Personally, I want a leader who will abide by the constitution (without trying to pervert it to fit his agenda), and who will follow the principles on which this country was founded, public opinion be damned.

 

[Evolver]

There really isn't that much difference.

We agree here.

Can you support that he wanted to bring the country into this war for a "long time"?

Paul O'Neill's book and statements on this point.

So instead taking a principled stand on what's best for the country and American soldiers, Kerry lies for self-serving political gain. And you think Kerry is better than Bush?

Not better. Less dangerous.

 

[Tony]

We agree here.

Cool.

Paul O'Neill's book and statements on this point.

I haven't read it, can you post a relevant excerpt?

Not better. Less dangerous.

How is it less dangerous?

 

[Frank Newgent]

Kerry steps out of the shower to pee.

Better than peeing in the shower with the drain closed?