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Did the MAGA machine suppress votes this time around?

Jim_MDP

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I saw this vid yesterday and it put a real knot in my stomach. Can it be true? Did we just lose, well... everything? 🙁
If these Voter ID regs go nationwide, is there any chance of a comeback?
Someone (serious) please tell me I'm flirting with paranoia. 😡

 
Trebuchet said:
And probably didn't determine the result.
Except in the House of Representatives, where Gerrymandering has given the R's a majority.
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Millions of improperly purged names from the rolls in swing states? You don't think that could have been impactful?
And what happens if this does go national?
This feels like the culmination of the aborted Southern Strategy... redlining, redistricting and now actual suppression through needless voter ID requirements.
What's the noun for 'sanguine'? Sanguinity? 😛
You're feeling it... I'm not.
Eta: And T trying to tie wildfire relief in CA to this abomination is disgusting. We're crossing a tipping point where all our hyperbole these years about fascism/Nazi-ism is feeling less hyperbolic.
 
i think it’s pretty odd that trump lost to biden by almost identical margins as kamabla lost to trump but the press took 3 weeks to call it for biden and like 20 minutes to call it for trump
 
Did the MAGA machine suppress votes this time around?
No doubt!
But was it enough to change the outcome of the election?
Some people think so:
Trump lost; vote suppression won—here are the numbers (Pride Publishing Group, Jan 29,2025)
However, ...
CLAIM: MILLIONS of votes stolen by Trump, KAMALA WON (David Pakman Show on YouTube, Feb 4, 2025 - 12:16 min.)
-- Examining Greg Palast's viral article claiming that Donald Trump did not really defeat Kamala Harris in the 2024 election
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David Pakman is not a Trump fan.
 
Jim_MDP said:
Millions of improperly purged names from the rolls in swing states? You don't think that could have been impactful?
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It could have been impactful, sure. But it obviously wasn't - no such impact has been reported. You think tens of thousands of legitimate voters were being turned away from the polls in swing states, enough to flip the election, and nobody noticed? Nobody complained? Nobody investigated?

Millions of improperly purged names my ass.
 
Did Republicans do the thing they do every election and that a lot of us were warning about, begging the Democrats to do something about when they held the power to do so?

I wonder

And what can be done about it? There's no mechanism to address it.
 
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dann said:
Did the MAGA machine suppress votes this time around?
No doubt!
But was it enough to change the outcome of the election?
Some people think so:
Trump lost; vote suppression won—here are the numbers (Pride Publishing Group, Jan 29,2025)
However, ...

David Pakman is not a Trump fan.
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I'm going to go with Palast because a) he brings the receipts, everything he writes has plenty of strong evidence and b) he hasn't been wrong yet.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
I'm going to go with Palast because a) he brings the receipts, everything he writes has plenty of strong evidence and b) he hasn't been wrong yet.
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I don't know him but have to disagree on this one. Pakman is right to show him using the most generous stats he can to make his case. Call me strange but when I throw out a guess, I try to use the most conservative figures for my argument, hopefully reducing any bias on my part. He appears to have done the opposite.

That said... I'm still very concerned where this might lead if it goes national. Many, many posts claiming their votes were either improperly rejected, or arriving to vote and finding they've been purged from the rolls. And yes, this might be a few millions (implementing these changes, sometimes within days or a week or two of election day was particularly evil).
Most of these will be able to re-register by the next ballot, but how many won't or don't because they don't know even now? And how many new ones if these policies are rolled out nationally?
Leading to... what's the landscape in 2 or 4 years if the MAGAt party has solidified total control of the electoral system?
This is baked into Project 2025... liberals may never need to vote again. 😯
(No, I don't think we'll let it get that far, but their endgame is blatantly obvious.)
 
I spent some time going through Palast's work and he strings together a story of voter suppression favouring the GOP that is pretty disturbing.

OTOH I think he's a long way from proving that it actually affected the outcome. He cites a lot of facts and stats but doesn't source a single one so they can't be easily verified. And he makes some pretty big logical leaps to make his case.

His articles are also littered with 'donate' buttons and when I see that I think the content deserves a little extra scrutiny. As much as I'd like to believe his numbers are plausible, there would have to be a LOT more investigation before we could come close to proving that the election outcome was shifted by the voter suppression efforts.

Nevertheless, its not hard to see the picture being painted here by the GOP. They are seeking to bend the election apparatus to their will at every turn. And with most of the country's justice system currently being dismantled or staffed with lickspittles, who will investigate any of it?
 
Jim_MDP said:
I don't know him but have to disagree on this one. Pakman is right to show him using the most generous stats he can to make his case. Call me strange but when I throw out a guess, I try to use the most conservative figures for my argument, hopefully reducing any bias on my part. He appears to have done the opposite.

That said... I'm still very concerned where this might lead if it goes national. Many, many posts claiming their votes were either improperly rejected, or arriving to vote and finding they've been purged from the rolls. And yes, this might be a few millions (implementing these changes, sometimes within days or a week or two of election day was particularly evil).
Most of these will be able to re-register by the next ballot, but how many won't or don't because they don't know even now? And how many new ones if these policies are rolled out nationally?
Leading to... what's the landscape in 2 or 4 years if the MAGAt party has solidified total control of the electoral system?
This is baked into Project 2025... liberals may never need to vote again. 😯
(No, I don't think we'll let it get that far, but their endgame is blatantly obvious.)
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The party that tried to steal every election since 2000 wasn't going to stopin 2024.
 
I see a lot of this on my feeds, but I don't read it because I think it doesn't matter: people are not going to be outraged by actual vote rigging by Republicans than they were by imagined vote rigging by Democrats.
If I was in a position to legislate how Elections are conducted I would investigate more.
 
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