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Did God ever say that Jesus is his Son?

Crossbow

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Did God ever say that Jesus is his Son?

Hello all.

The other day, I promised to give ‘The Big Dog’ $20.00 if he can find me even one passage in the Bible where God says that Jesus is his son.

He responded with a quote from Matthew 3:17 which states:

As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water. Suddenly the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and resting on Him. And a voice from heaven, or voice from a cloud, or a voice of Majestic Glory, or a voice from the sky (depending upon the translation) said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased!”

Which is a very interesting quote since no matter what translation is used, it always avoids saying that it was the voice in question was the voice of God itself, therefore it does not meet the standards that I have set. After all, considering that it was always clear in other sections of the Bible when God was talking “do not eat the from this tree”, “build an ark of gopherwood”, do not look at the destruction of these two cities, God said thus and so to Moses, and so on, then one should expect similar clarity from the Bible regarding the patronage of Jesus.

As for myself, I have looked through the Bible for such data for a number of years to find anywhere where God claims that Jesus is his son, and I have been unable to find any such data. Additionally, I have asked several people who know the Bible quite well and who are, or at least who used to be, devout Christians, and I still have not been able to find such data.

Anyway, if someone here on the Forum can help me to determine this data, then I just may be able to settle this issue with ‘The Big Dog’.

Thanks much in advance.

Crossbow -
 
"therefore it does not meet the standards that I have set."

And there you have it folks.

by the way, time to first lie? Not only did I not principally rely on Matthew 3:17, that is not an accurate representation of Matt 3:17.

I cited the verse in signature, ""He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." From 2Peter

But you are setting the "standards" (which as shown above include gross misrepresentations of fact) so, good luck with that,

Seacrest out
 
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MikeG said:
Good luck. I've seldom seen issues settled with anyone here.
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I expect that you are quite correct, but since he is rather vexed about the issue then I expect that he would be appreciative of any help that could be offered to him.
 
The Big Dog said:
"therefore it does not meet the standards that I have set."

And there you have it folks.

by the way, time to first lie? Not only did I not principally rely on Matthew 3:17, that is not an accurate representation of Matt 3:17.

I cited the verse in signature, ""He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." From 2Peter

But you are setting the "standards" (which as shown above include gross misrepresentations of fact) so, good luck with that,

Seacrest out
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'The Big Dog' can't hunt.

If you can tell me where does God say that Jesus is his son, then you will get your $20.00.
 
The Big Dog said:
I cited the verse in signature, ""He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." From 2Peter
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Still leaning on a forged text.
 
The Big Dog said:
What a spectacularly disingenuous "objection."

Is 2Peter in the bible? let us look at the challenge:

"if he can find me even one passage in the Bible."

Yes or no?
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Just in case it has escaped your keen eye for detail, Peter II was not written by Peter.

If it is possible for you to do so, then do yourself a favor take a closer look at your fairy book.
 
Well, in most versions Matt.3:17 translates as "a voice from heaven", so I would say that if you are assuming this is a literal description of a witness to the event then it's either God itself or a divine emmisary.

Much as I don't agree with TBD on much of anything, you owe him $20.
 
jaydeehess said:
Well, in most versions Matt.3:17 translates as "a voice from heaven", so I would say that if you are assuming this is a literal description of a witness to the event then it's either God itself or a divine emmisary.

Much as I don't agree with TBD on much of anything, you owe him $20.
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Sorry, but I have to disagree.

It was always clear in other parts of the Bible when God was speaking but in this case quite ambiguous especially when one is considering patronage issues (as was often important in those days).
 
2Peter is a book of the New Testament of the Bible, end of story.

Whether or not it is pseudepigraphical is quite irrelevant to the challenge
 
Who else would it be? It's been established multiple times in the NT that we're supposed to think of Jesus as the son of God, and then a voice from heaven calls down and calls him his son.
Sure, it's not literally stated, but we're supposed to infer it from the context. It couldn't be anyone else, unless you want to insinuate there's a Game of Thrones style parentage subplot where a different celestial being turns out to be Jesus' dad, that was cut from the definitive version.
 
The Big Dog said:
2Peter is a book of the New Testament of the Bible, end of story.

Whether or not it is pseudepigraphical is quite irrelevant to the challenge
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How wonderful! You have managed to learn at least one basic fact today.

But regardless of the status of Peter II, this text that you have so much regard for still does not directly claim that Jesus is the son of God, therefore you have still failed to collect your $20.00.
 
Porpoise of Life said:
Who else would it be? It's been established multiple times in the NT that we're supposed to think of Jesus as the son of God, and then a voice from heaven calls down and calls him his son.
Sure, it's not literally stated, but we're supposed to infer it from the context. It couldn't be anyone else, unless you want to insinuate there's a Game of Thrones style parentage subplot where a different celestial being turns out to be Jesus' dad, that was cut from the definitive version.
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Thanks much!

I quite agree and I have said so before.

While the New Testament certainly does imply that Jesus is the son of God, but at no point does God himself actually state that Jesus is his son.
 
You could use that argument ("who's to say it was God?") regarding any reported manifestation in the Bible. You lose I'm afraid, send that $20.
 
I vote for TBD. Anything else is a meaningless quibble that only serves to cost the proponent most of his credibility. TBD is owed $20.

You are trying awfully hard to avoid admitting you're wrong. Put your ego aside and send the money.

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Who else would it be? It's been established multiple times in the NT that we're supposed to think of Jesus as the son of God, and then a voice from heaven calls down and calls him his son.
Sure, it's not literally stated, but we're supposed to infer it from the context. It couldn't be anyone else, unless you want to insinuate there's a Game of Thrones style parentage subplot where a different celestial being turns out to be Jesus' dad, that was cut from the definitive version.
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It easily could be Satan or whoever is the enemy personified. There are passages, that Crossbow rightfully points out, that explicitly say, "and GOD said..." blah but not in these cases of when Yeshua's parentage is claimed. And we are taught that Satan lies and deceives to lead the gullible astray, so...

That being said, this whole wager issue is a pointless nit-pick that does nothing except prolong bitter and petty squabbling here and this post of mine is pretty much all I'm gonna say about it.
 
Crossbow said:
How wonderful! You have managed to learn at least one basic fact today.

But regardless of the status of Peter II, this text that you have so much regard for still does not directly claim that Jesus is the son of God, therefore you have still failed to collect your $20.00.
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False

He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."
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that being said, I never expected for one moment that you would honor this challenge.
 
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