Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?

lol i think every single part of that is wrong. there’s a bunch of of new stuff, there’s millions of unreleased documents, and it’s not the usual crowd and it’s all over evidence gathered in a criminal investigation by the fbi
 
Vixen said:
Who remembers when everyone said this was 'just a conspiracy theory'?


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Me. I remember when everyone said Epstein running a world satanic ring was just a conspiracy theory.

What's changed? Has Satan confessed?

BTW that YouTube video is completely hilarious if you imagine it as an estate agent trying to sell the holiday island. His sinister tone and tense backing music raise expectations on which the video doesn't deliver. Nothing he describes seems even faintly suspicious, beyond a couple of "some say" bit about stuff people have imagined to exist underground.

Does he have more videos, maybe describing a hotel room where some notorious crime happened, pointing out the sinister hairdryer and the sinister TV remote?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Me. I remember when everyone said Epstein running a world satanic ring was just a conspiracy theory.

What's changed? Has Satan confessed?

BTW that YouTube video is completely hilarious if you imagine it as an estate agent trying to sell the holiday island. His sinister tone and tense backing music raise expectations on which the video doesn't deliver. Nothing he describes seems even faintly suspicious, beyond a couple of "some say" bit about stuff people have imagined to exist underground.

Does he have more videos, maybe describing a hotel room where some notorious crime happened, pointing out the sinister hairdryer and the sinister TV remote?
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'Satanism' isn't a religion per se, it's a form of fetishism, behaving degenerately. Kubrick well illustrated this in the film 'Eyes Wide Shut', based on a short story. Having a paedophile/ephebrophile ring as a form of great fun at parties for the rich who perceived themselves above the law, is a thing. Joe Bloggs at number ten down the road would be arrested before his feet could touch the ground. Note how international the Epstein ring is/was and only one person in prison.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Me. I remember when everyone said Epstein running a world satanic ring was just a conspiracy theory.

What's changed? Has Satan confessed?

BTW that YouTube video is completely hilarious if you imagine it as an estate agent trying to sell the holiday island. His sinister tone and tense backing music raise expectations on which the video doesn't deliver. Nothing he describes seems even faintly suspicious, beyond a couple of "some say" bit about stuff people have imagined to exist underground.

Does he have more videos, maybe describing a hotel room where some notorious crime happened, pointing out the sinister hairdryer and the sinister TV remote?
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Yes, the video is brilliant. He really goes to town on describing very ordinary things as sinister. Apparently there was wifi and cell phone service.:oops:
 
Vixen said:
'Satanism' isn't a religion per se, it's a form of fetishism, behaving degenerately. Kubrick well illustrated this in the film 'Eyes Wide Shut', based on a short story. Having a paedophile/ephebrophile ring as a form of great fun at parties for the rich who perceived themselves above the law, is a thing. Joe Bloggs at number ten down the road would be arrested before his feet could touch the ground. Note how international the Epstein ring is/was and only one person in prison.
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Seems you imagine that Epstein held Satanic-fetish-themed sex parties, like something from a Dennis Wheatley novel. Is that it? This thread was never about whether Epstein was a criminal. It was about whether he ran a "World Satanic Ring". Years ago you were arguing about sinister occult symbolism in such mundane things as a giant chess board. If you're now declaring the "Satanic" bit to be an essentially meaningless pejorative then the thread surely serves no purpose.

And you think only one other person is in prison because there's nobody willing to prosecute his party guests, not for lack of specific evidence against them but because they're such powerful people that they are completely untouchable. What a relief for HRH Prince Andrew.
 
There are plenty of disgusting details that are in this document dump to be sure. But they are things that have been hinted at by reliable sources for almost two decades. The Stephen Hawking stuff is just off the hook (I mean, good for him, I guess). We knew Bill Gates was a sleaze-ball forever, and why is anyone shocked about Bill Clinton and his lack of judgement at any level when it involves his zipper?

What I'm curious about is the science and genetic stuff. I like science too, and if I was a billionaire I'd be giving money to science programs, but why those specific DNA fields?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Seems you imagine that Epstein held Satanic-fetish-themed sex parties, like something from a Dennis Wheatley novel. Is that it? This thread was never about whether Epstein was a criminal. It was about whether he ran a "World Satanic Ring". Years ago you were arguing about sinister occult symbolism in such mundane things as a giant chess board. If you're now declaring the "Satanic" bit to be an essentially meaningless pejorative then the thread surely serves no purpose.

And you think only one other person is in prison because there's nobody willing to prosecute his party guests, not for lack of specific evidence against them but because they're such powerful people that they are completely untouchable. What a relief for HRH Prince Andrew.
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It's called 'a debate'. I don't know why people are so challenged by it. If you look at the topic title you'll see it is structured as a question for debate. You can see my conclusion circa post #439 or so, where I conclude it was from Epstein's POV a foreign-country spy operation, in which numerous leading officials in various countries were compromised by his antics*. What was in it for them? Money (see the York family), contacts and power. How? The promise of wild celebrity-packed parties with young females as the bait for ageing men. Mandelson, a well known Machiavellian spin doctor from way back in Blairite days, giving away UK government secrets to this foreign operative - some say Russia, some say Israel - hiding under a cloak of being gay to get away with passing on state secrets to Epstein and his shady handlers. I mean, this is technically treason, one of the worst crimes possible.

As for Prince Andrew, don't be fooled; he has thrown himself into all this with enthusiasm. There is no way someone brought up in the BRF wouldn't have patriotism and protocol drummed into them. He might be dim but he knew what he was doing. Even Prince Charles' name appears in Maxwell's address book under several different contact details. Pretty sure Camilla is a beard, given KCIII's proclivities in associating with various known perverts. Stripping Andrew of titles, style and home could be found to be sheer hypocrisy by Charles given time.

This stuff has been going on for decades and it remains 'Keep calm and carry on', as usual.

*Heck, this was way back in 2019/20 and six years later people still doubt it was anything more than one guy and his perviness.
 
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Axxman300 said:
There are plenty of disgusting details that are in this document dump to be sure. But they are things that have been hinted at by reliable sources for almost two decades. The Stephen Hawking stuff is just off the hook (I mean, good for him, I guess). We knew Bill Gates was a sleaze-ball forever, and why is anyone shocked about Bill Clinton and his lack of judgement at any level when it involves his zipper?

What I'm curious about is the science and genetic stuff. I like science too, and if I was a billionaire I'd be giving money to science programs, but why those specific DNA fields?
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it seems to me epstein had a similar outlook on that stuff to the tech guys he surrounded himself with. guys like musk and thiel are weirdly preoccupied with things like birth replacement rates and spreading their dna as well as an obsession with youth. thiel in particular has some other odd views concerning the apocalypse and the anti christ, kind of a mixture of science and occult concepts imo

i would guess that this is what it looks like when a techno wizard oligarch goes though a midlife crisis.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
And the proposition is "Epstein ran a World Satanic Ring".

It looks like he did not. Not by any meaningful definition of that label.
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Epstein made his fortune by blackmailing rich people. It's really that simple. His properties were filled with hidden cameras. Why does no one question why he kept all those emails, or even allowed emails in the first place? At some point he became a billionaire, and once that happened he was "in the club". Those guys hang out with each other. Epstein had lunch with Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos around the corner from where I worked while they were in Monterey CA. for a Ted convention. They didn't drop in to say hello...as far as anyone knows...

Anyway, politicians and heads of science departments are attracted to billionaires because they break out in hives when they get close to people with excess cash. And Epstein was and is not the only guy doing these things. But you know, clowns love a circus.
 
Vixen said:
It might help if you define what you think 'a world satanic ring' might look like. Then we can decide whether it matches anything.
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Wait...wait...what??!!?!?

YOU are the one who started this thread with the title "Did Epstein run a World Satanic Ring?". Maybe YOU should have defined it, 54 pages and a number of years ago. Given that you have said, "It's called a debate", perhaps YOU could set the terms?

So, what is this "World Satanic Ring" of which you speak?
 
for the record, the satanic part seems completely out of place. nothing about any of it seems to be tied to religion in any way

as far as what you would imagine a satanic sex cult would get up to if one existed, yeah it would probably look something like what epstein was doing i suppose
 
Axxman300 said:
Epstein made his fortune by blackmailing rich people. It's really that simple. His properties were filled with hidden cameras. Why does no one question why he kept all those emails, or even allowed emails in the first place? At some point he became a billionaire, and once that happened he was "in the club". Those guys hang out with each other. Epstein had lunch with Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos around the corner from where I worked while they were in Monterey CA. for a Ted convention. They didn't drop in to say hello...as far as anyone knows...

Anyway, politicians and heads of science departments are attracted to billionaires because they break out in hives when they get close to people with excess cash. And Epstein was and is not the only guy doing these things. But you know, clowns love a circus.
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Jeffrey Epstein came from a blue-collar family in Brooklyn, NY. Dad was a gardener. He had no teaching qualifications, let alone in mathematics, yet William Barr, Snr., secured him a teaching job at a decent school...teaching maths. I don't know why Epstein is referred to as 'a financier' or 'a billionaire', as you do, because he also has zero qualifications or licence to practise being a broker or financial adviser. In his official career he has just one client, and that is Les Wexner. Wexner is the person who handed Epstein his NY mansion, and in addition, his Power of Attorney. Imagine being of sound mind, health and hardly old aged, with substantial wealth and simply handing over PoA to some semi-literate smuck who can't hold down a job. All the scientists who ever met him and spoken publicly have said they were shocked at the shallow level of his knowledge. Try again, Axxman300, as to how there is nothing at all unusual about the astonishing influence of this dude.
 
I think a "world satanic ring" would need to have at least some trappings of occult cosplay and ceremony about it to deserve the name, and I'm unaware of anything like that having existed (unless, as I said, one regards the kind of outsize chessboard some hotels have on their lawns as symbolically fiendish).

It seems entirely beyond doubt there was criminal coercion of young women into sexual activity, including those underage, and there may very well also have been a good deal of arm-twisting coercion, or frank blackmail, of his rich friends/clients who had participated in such criminality. But this debauchery does not appear to have been channelling The Devil Rides Out, nor even the Hellfire Club in its tone. Just a lot of rich people indulging themselves, without regard to tiresome legality, in the imagined privacy of a private party island.
 
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