DeSantis Martha's Vineyard Stunt

Stout said:
Well you're not wrong there. All these Holocaust and Nazi comparisons to what amounts to by far the easiest part of these migrants journey.
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I know. . . let's set fire to The Capital and blame it on the Democrats who we'll round up and put in jail.

What? It's been done? Did it work?
 
phiwum said:
Normally, when someone says the end justifies the means, they mean that the end is noble enough that it outweighs the harm of the means. In this case, the end is purely selfish. If the end justifies the means in this case, then it justifies the means in every case in which the outcome is good for the actor.

In other words, if you think the end justifies the means here, then you're simply an egoist and to hell with other people to begin with.
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The definition I always liked was "I know it's wrong but I did it anyway and don't want to face the consequences".
 
Not fair for all these migrants to become the burden of small border towns. Federal govt. should take them and distribute them around the country, so we all share the load and the work.
 
Warp12 said:
This just illustrates how silly this whining is. Even though they were flown to MA (how cool that must have been for these simple folk), they still have it like 100x better than they did in that dump of a country they came from. Hell, probably better than had they stayed in TX or FL. This is just a speedbump for them. And they are suing, lol.

Seems like everyone wins in the end.
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Unless we deport them back. Then it's just a huge waste of their time (and teeth).
 
Warp12 said:
Sure. And the end justifies the means, thus far.
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Appeal to people driven by spite, and all you get is a wreck of a country. As long as the people they hate are crying, right?
 
Stout said:
The governor doesn't have to wait. He can take the bull by the horns, charter a few bussed, head down to San Antonio and make his pitch. Well he can do that if he actually means that bit about boosting his state's productive population and isn't just virtue signaling. It's totally win-win.
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I don't think our governor is obligated to do something out of the way and unusual in order to counter a stupid, and possibly illegal, action by another.

In any case, unless he intended to pay for it himself, he does not likely have the authority to charter buses, and may not have the legal authority to move people around either, nor to make promises that cannot be kept. He can say what he'd like to see happen, but that does not mean he has the legal authority or the legislative approval to make it happen.

e.t.a. Scott has come out in favor of VT law superseding ICE practices, and supporting the rights of immigrants, including undocumented immigrants, to immunity from harassment, supporting the extension of DACA rights, refusing to remove children from families at the border, and in favor of increasing VT's labor force, but I imagine he is not able to advocate for illegal immigration, nor to violate ICE practices in other states. He is, also, despite what many would consider some good and humane ideas on this subject, a Republican with conservative economic principles, and there is likely a difficulty reconciling some ideas with his opposition to raising minimum wages, family medical leave, and other such issues. My point in the above is not to suggest that Scott is just fine and his ideas all good, but simply that he is not a grandstanding racist idiot.
 
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How great a burden are we talking about?

I assume that it can be quantified, although my starting assumptions often have short lifespans.
 
sackett said:
How great a burden are we talking about?

I assume that it can be quantified, although my starting assumptions often have short lifespans.
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For the record, state with the largest numebr of immigrants is... California.
 
Warp12 said:
This just illustrates how silly this whining is. Even though they were flown to MA (how cool that must have been for these simple folk), they still have it like 100x better than they did in that dump of a country they came from. Hell, probably better than had they stayed in TX or FL. This is just a speedbump for them. And they are suing, lol.

Seems like everyone wins in the end.
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Stay consistent. You dismiss the blacklash as "silly whining" but you must know how this cynical "justifiable tactic" will be recieved by people who actually care about human rights or just basic decency?

How about DeSantis visits my state and I punch him in the ******* mouth then hear you whine about violence from the left? Then I come after all who supported this and then you whine some more about it and cry "partisan witch hunt!!!@#@"
 
Venom said:
How about DeSantis visits my state and I punch him in the ******* mouth then hear you whine about violence from the left? Then I come after all who supported this and then you whine some more about it and cry "partisan witch hunt!!!@#@"
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Not sure what your point is here, other than you seem to have an agitated stance in regards to this event? Seriously, what is your point?
 
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Warp12 said:
This just illustrates how silly this whining is. Even though they were flown to MA (how cool that must have been for these simple folk), they still have it like 100x better than they did in that dump of a country they came from. Hell, probably better than had they stayed in TX or FL. This is just a speedbump for them. And they are suing, lol.

Seems like everyone wins in the end.
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I am not sure that the open admission that Texas and Florida are relative dumps is the best public relations move.

Being flown to Massachusetts can mean many things. In case you are entirely ignorant of geography and the like, it might be worthwhile to note that Massachusetts is a rather large place, and there is a big difference between landings.

Even "simple folk" probably wouldn't mind being told honestly where they're going. Even some of us simple folk know enough to balk at the idea that the perception of social superiority is a good excuse for lying.
 
bruto said:
I am not sure that the open admission that Texas and Florida are relative dumps is the best public relations move.
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Come on, Bruto. You know I am referring to their ******** country of Venezuela. I doubt many here going to dspute that label, currently.

A UN report estimated in March 2019 that 94% of Venezuelans lived in poverty, and by 2021 almost twenty percent of Venezuelans (5.4 million) had left their country. The UN analysis estimates in 2019 that 25% of Venezuelans need some form of humanitarian assistance.
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TX and FL are like Utopias, in comparison. Then they are sent to MA, and liberals act like these people are enduring the hardship of the century. It is comical.
 
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Warp12 said:
TX and FL are like Utopias, in comparison. Then they are sent to MA, and liberals act like these people are enduring the hardship of the century. It is comical.
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No, they are acting like DeSantis is a pure crap politician, which is fitting, because he is
 
Warp12 said:
Not sure what your point is here, other than you seem to have an agitated stance in regards to this event? Seriously, what is your point?
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Well, we know what your "points" are, Warp.

Abuse of immigrants.
Denial of basic human rights.
Elected officials exceeding their lawful authority.

I could go on, but. . .
 
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